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Old 05-16-2016, 12:33 PM   #51
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I am curious, are you certain you want a TT 32-35 ft in length behind a half ton? All weights and ratings aside, sometimes you have to just stand back and eyeball it and say "that ain't right".

Just one man's opinion, but a trailer that size no matter the weight will leave any half ton completely outmatched. It will be driving, not you. I know some people do it, but I'd bet those that do won't openly admit that they bit off more than they could chew.
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Something you have to keep in mind about the internet is that the internet is FULL of people who have never done anything and will tell you it doesn't work. And then you'll notice on the fringes there are people that will tell you that they actually did that thing that is supposed to be impossible and it turned out fine for them. But then they will be shouted down by the people that say it's impossible. It seems like what you see everywhere regarding trailer towing weights is that everyone disregards a 150 without actually realizing that the new limits have crept up to nearly what a 250 can tow. My 2016 can tow 11700 for instance. Tongue max is 1220# but then the step up to a 250 is only 1250#. Big deal.

It seems like so much of the pushback against 1/2 tons is based on outdated understanding of how far they have come in the last few years.

That said, just watch your numbers and you should be fine.
The capabilities and ratings of the new F150 are a bit of a sore point with the Gas Ram 2500 owners on the Jaycoowners site. Every time somebody posts a question about towing with a F150 on this Forum, the Ram Chorus provides dire warnings that the trailer is much too big (even if well within manufacturer's specs) and towing with an F150 will endanger themselves and everybody else on the road if they attempt to pull more than 5000 lbs with a mere half-ton F150. I am not sure why Ram owners feel the necessity to discourage forum members from towing with or purchasing new F150s. I believe it has something to do with the Ram taking the Least Reliable Truck On The Road honors for the last 10 years in a row and being bested by the F150 in every conceivable category including payload and towing. Despite this, I have yet to see Ford owners posting responses, to questions from Ram Owners, telling Ram owners not to tow trailers with weights within the Ram's extremely limited tow capacities.

What many Gas Ram 2500 owners will not openly admit is that the 2015/16 F150 with HD Payload/Maxtow has payload and towing capabilities equivalent to the Gas Ram 2500. The only advantage of the Gas Ram 2500 is that it will burn 40% more fuel annually so you will collect more Petro Points. The recent Ike Gauntlet TFL Reviews (http://www.tfltruck.com/2014/10/2014-ram-2500-hd-6-4l-hemi-vs-6-0l-chevy-ike-gauntlet-hd/) highlight how much more capable the F150 is than the Gas 2500 Ram.

When considering towing capabilities consider the actual numbers, not some guy on the internet who towed with a half-ton once two decades ago and says "that ain't right".
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I must admit I was ignorant about the the new half ton numbers also. Not the "max tow" cause you hear about that all the time but I had never heard of a half ton with 2600+lbs of payload. I totally love my truck and am happy with it but apparently should have done more research when shopping.
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The capabilities and ratings of the new F150 are a bit of a sore point with the Gas Ram 2500 owners on the Jaycoowners site. Every time somebody posts a question about towing with a F150 on this Forum, the Ram Chorus provides dire warnings that the trailer is much too big (even if well within manufacturer's specs) and towing with an F150 will endanger themselves and everybody else on the road if they attempt to pull more than 5000 lbs with a mere half-ton F150. I am not sure why Ram owners feel the necessity to discourage forum members from towing with or purchasing new F150s. I believe it has something to do with the Ram taking the Least Reliable Truck On The Road honors for the last 10 years in a row and being bested by the F150 in every conceivable category including payload and towing. Despite this, I have yet to see Ford owners posting responses, to questions from Ram Owners, telling Ram owners not to tow trailers with weights within the Ram's extremely limited tow capacities.

What many Gas Ram 2500 owners will not openly admit is that the 2015/16 F150 with HD Payload/Maxtow has payload and towing capabilities equivalent to the Gas Ram 2500. The only advantage of the Gas Ram 2500 is that it will burn 40% more fuel annually so you will collect more Petro Points. The recent Ike Gauntlet TFL Reviews (http://www.tfltruck.com/2014/10/2014-ram-2500-hd-6-4l-hemi-vs-6-0l-chevy-ike-gauntlet-hd/) highlight how much more capable the F150 is than the Gas 2500 Ram.

When considering towing capabilities consider the actual numbers, not some guy on the internet who towed with a half-ton once two decades ago and says "that ain't right".
Yeah... that's not it at all. I wouldn't care what half ton it was- Ford, Ram, Tundra or other. Good try though. My F150 was rated for over 10000lbs and could barely hold itself together with a 5500lbs trailer. It has nothing to do with the brand and everything to do with using a hammer for a nail and not a screw.

FWIW, I can't think of a single person with any knowledge of mechanics even trying to pass off an F150 as an equal to an F250 or Ram or GM 2500. They aren't even in the same league no matter what the paper says. And for the record I am a huge supporter of half ton towing. I wish I could have mine back because I simply HATE using a 2500 as a daily driver. But I also understand that it had limitations. I am not bashing half tons at all, just asking a simple question, but everybody seems to get their shorts in a wad.
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Yeah... that's not it at all. I wouldn't care what half ton it was- Ford, Ram, Tundra or other. Good try though. My F150 was rated for over 10000lbs and could barely hold itself together with a 5500lbs trailer. It has nothing to do with the brand and everything to do with using a hammer for a nail and not a screw.

FWIW, I can't think of a single person with any knowledge of mechanics even trying to pass off an F150 as an equal to an F250 or Ram or GM 2500. They aren't even in the same league no matter what the paper says.
+1

I couldn't care less what the badge on the side of the truck says, it's the sticker in the door jamb that's most important.

Have the Ford F-150's with Max Tow AND Max Payload become much more available? When I was looking, you couldn't find them anywhere, and even special order was sketchy. A nice truck indeed, but I could find 10 or 12 Rams for every 1 properly equipped (for my needs) F-150. Those were all sitting on lots ready to go, no ordering necessary, and competitive prices too. In addition, the F-150 is quite unique, no other 1/2T can come even close (again, when I was looking).

By the time I could have purchased an F-150 equipped the way I needed it, I could have bought a Ram gasser AND a boat to tow behind DW's car, and probably had a little jangle left in my pocket. But things may have changed by now...
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Yeah... that's not it at all. I wouldn't care what half ton it was- Ford, Ram, Tundra or other. Good try though. My F150 was rated for over 10000lbs and could barely hold itself together with a 5500lbs trailer. It has nothing to do with the brand and everything to do with using a hammer for a nail and not a screw.

FWIW, I can't think of a single person with any knowledge of mechanics even trying to pass off an F150 as an equal to an F250 or Ram or GM 2500. They aren't even in the same league no matter what the paper says.
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Yeah... that's not it at all. I wouldn't care what half ton it was- Ford, Ram, Tundra or other. Good try though. My F150 was rated for over 10000lbs and could barely hold itself together with a 5500lbs trailer. It has nothing to do with the brand and everything to do with using a hammer for a nail and not a screw.

FWIW, I can't think of a single person with any knowledge of mechanics even trying to pass off an F150 as an equal to an F250 or Ram or GM 2500. They aren't even in the same league no matter what the paper says.
They say ignorance is bliss, so stay happy. You obviously do not know many people with any knowledge of mechanics. A pound of payload in a 250/2500 is the same as a pound of payload in an F150. Are you going to tell me that the 420 tq in a Ram 2500 is stronger than the 420 tq in the Ecoboost ? (Yes I am aware that the Ram has a max torque of 9 ft/lbs more at 4000 rpm, but in the real world the Eco blows the Hemi out of the water as the recent Ike Gauntlets tests clearly demonstrate.) Your complete lack of knowledge or experience with a modern F150 is of no assistance whatsoever to the original poster when he was asking about what a 2015 F150 is capable of towing when properly equipped.

Bob, apparently re-tooling for the new aluminum frames and the incredible demand for the best-selling F150 meant that 2015 HD payload F150 orders could not be met last year but they will be available in 2016. Obviously, if over 2000 lbs of payload are required immediately the F150 HD payload might not be an option and one might have to settle for a much less reliable tow vehicle. I was not aware you could get a similarly equipped Gas Ram 2500 and a big boat for the same price as an F150. Maybe Ram charged a little more for their trucks, they wouldn't government bailouts every few years.
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They say ignorance is bliss, so stay happy. Your complete lack of knowledge or experience with a modern F150 is of no assistance whatsoever to the original poster when he was asking about what a 2015 F150 is capable of towing when properly equipped. I am really not convinced that you know a lot more than what the Ford engineers put on their papers.
Sounds good sport. You have yourself a quality day and try not to wear out your finger tips. Just out of curiosity though since my F150 was the same as your F150 in your sig, what EXACTLY makes you such an omnipotent expert? I must have missed something.
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This is getting way off topic and becoming a " TRUCK WAR" so please get back on topic or the thread will be closed. Thank you...


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I want to thank all who have giving there thoughts on this topic, but like wvdusty stated, this has become a truck war, lol. Its all good guys, no need to be getting all crazy on the topic. Lets just all get along and respect each others opinion. I will let you all know what trailer I end up with, I'm personally leaning towards the Eagle 284bhbe but the wifey is leaning towards the White Hawk 28BHKS. Haven't seen either in person just on internet. Dealership has both models coming soon, at that point I will look at both then decide. Who knows, I may even end up with a totally different Jayco model other then the two I have listed? I would like to end up stating, When we were looking for a truck, I test drove the Tundra, Ram, and the Chevy before deciding on the f150. IMHO Ford has the best truck on the market. This is coming from a guy who never owned any other make of car other then a Honda. Still a big Honda fan, current car is a 12 accord coupe HFP V6 6 SPD, previous cars were 01 accord coup, 03 s2000 and a 04 s2000. I will always be a Honda guy when it comes to cars, but if I were to trade the truck in the not so near future, it would be for another Ford 150 for sure. I love my 15 Lariat sport 502A package.
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I am thankful that everyone on here loves their particular truck and if it has the gvwr and gcwr with a properly set up hitch and you feel comfortable with the braking ability and the way it tows that's what counts. Trucks have come a long way in the last few year as to their capabilities as for instance my 1995 ford f350 dually with the 7.3 diesel was rated to only tow 10500 pounds,. My newer f250 srw is rated to tow 11600 and has more power. If you love what you got stick with it. Just my 2 cents
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I must admit I was ignorant about the the new half ton numbers also. Not the "max tow" cause you hear about that all the time but I had never heard of a half ton with 2600+lbs of payload. I totally love my truck and am happy with it but apparently should have done more research when shopping.
I'd like to know where those numbers are from also because i am disappointed if true! I have 2015 SCREW XLT with 3.5EB max tow... Payload sticker right at 1800 lbs.

Not to bash another brand but I have towed my camper with mother in law's 2014 GMC Sierra with 5.3 and feel a lot more comfortable with the F150. Ride is tighter and engine feels more powerful at much lower RPM. This is my personal opinion/experience and not based on any formal test! Sierra is definitely a nice truck.
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