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Old 04-19-2016, 08:11 AM   #21
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I disagree. Do you think that if a vehicle is rated for #2000 capacity that #2001 pounds will break it?

There are safety factors build into the capacity ratings on all vehicles. Look at the full size towing wars going on on paper. The capacity numbers are sky-rocketing. How can that be? The drive-trains haven't changed enough to warrant the number's increases. What is happening is the manufacturers are changing their safety factors. The standard used to be 2.4, it is probably more like 1.6 now. A 1/2 ton 2WD Chevy pick-up is rated to tow #12,000. Really?

You can work yourself into a 3/4 ton pick-up for a pop-up if you keep adding safety factors on top of safety factors. You don't put only 4 people into a 5 passenger vehicle because you are adding safety factors.

In the end, you have to do what you are comfortable with and road test it to assure you are. I have found people drive way too fast when towing and that causes many problems.

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Old 04-19-2016, 08:50 AM   #22
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I have found people drive way too fast when towing and that causes many problems.

Happy trails.
I tow my 17z with a Tundra.

I cannot believe the smaller SUV's that fly by me on the highway going over 70mph, all while towing larger campers than me!

But i guess im also overly cautious as well, especially with my family in the truck.
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Old 04-19-2016, 09:46 AM   #23
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I disagree. Do you think that if a vehicle is rated for #2000 capacity that #2001 pounds will break it?

There are safety factors build into the capacity ratings on all vehicles. Look at the full size towing wars going on on paper. The capacity numbers are sky-rocketing. How can that be? The drive-trains haven't changed enough to warrant the number's increases. What is happening is the manufacturers are changing their safety factors. The standard used to be 2.4, it is probably more like 1.6 now. A 1/2 ton 2WD Chevy pick-up is rated to tow #12,000. Really?

You can work yourself into a 3/4 ton pick-up for a pop-up if you keep adding safety factors on top of safety factors. You don't put only 4 people into a 5 passenger vehicle because you are adding safety factors.

In the end, you have to do what you are comfortable with and road test it to assure you are. I have found people drive way too fast when towing and that causes many problems.

Happy trails.
I agree with this for the most part. If you are within your Weight limits as specified from the manufacturers then what is the big harm? Sure some vehicles may have weak parts or perhaps an odd rating (Jeep liberty anyone) but that is for the person towing to figure out what the feel safe and comfortable towing.

I also agree with the 1/2 ton statement, They are all pushing up their limits to get that big number on the tv ad's these days, its all about marketing and liability on the part of the manufacturers.
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Old 04-22-2016, 04:00 PM   #24
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I disagree. Do you think that if a vehicle is rated for #2000 capacity that #2001 pounds will break it?

There are safety factors build into the capacity ratings on all vehicles. Look at the full size towing wars going on on paper. The capacity numbers are sky-rocketing. How can that be? The drive-trains haven't changed enough to warrant the number's increases. What is happening is the manufacturers are changing their safety factors. The standard used to be 2.4, it is probably more like 1.6 now. A 1/2 ton 2WD Chevy pick-up is rated to tow #12,000. Really?

You can work yourself into a 3/4 ton pick-up for a pop-up if you keep adding safety factors on top of safety factors. You don't put only 4 people into a 5 passenger vehicle because you are adding safety factors.

In the end, you have to do what you are comfortable with and road test it to assure you are. I have found people drive way too fast when towing and that causes many problems.

Happy trails.
As an engineer I can appreciate the safety factor statement. I'm sure there are tons of safety factors built in. There has to be. As far as the 1/2 ton races I'm sure some of it is the margin of safety being reduced but some of it also has to do with other components besides drivetrain being strengthened to up the capacity. The GVWR has more to do with just the ability to pull the load. The suspension and braking as well as a whole host of components come into play. It's all about the weakest link and that may not be drivetrain.

You're also missing another component of this and that is the legality of exceeding the GVWR of your vehicle. While it is unlikely that during normal operation you may not have a problem but if you get into an accident it could be very bad. I know I've been cut off and then had the person in front of me slam on their brakes. If you get into an accident and it comes into light that your vehicle was over GVWR there could be a whole lot of trouble coming your way. Your insurance may not cover it. You could lose your license. Concentrating on the pure pulling capacity of the TV without knowing your safety factor exactly, for each component, is irresponsible. Regardless of how comfortable you are.

Your examples are also extremely misleading. No you don't put only 4 people in a 5 person car because that's what the car was designed for. If the Chevy 1/2 ton was designed for 12,000# then that's what it was designed for. I'm not an automotive engineer and I don't have the testing or the knowledge to make the call so I defer to the people who do. I'm not trying to add more safety factors, I'm trying to stay within the margin of safety stated by people with more knowledge and deeper pockets than me.
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Old 04-23-2016, 03:57 PM   #25
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Hey all,
This is not a new topic on this forum, as I've seen a fair amount of folks address this over the last couple of years as a member. It's easy to get caught up in the numbers.
As greobr33 states, there is wiggle room built in for safety. Now, that being said, I totally respect your concern for safety and it basically boils down to what you feel comfortable with for you and your family.
I can tell you we pulled our 2013 X17z with my 2008 Ford Escape with tow package for a couple of years with no issues whatsoever. It was a the top end of our capacity so we packed pretty light and usually traveled without water to keep even more room. We are light campers anyway, so it wasn't much of a problem. I didn't go over any real mountains or push any speed limits with it, due to the fact that it was at the top end of my capacity. The 400lb tongue weight wasn't a factor as we didn't come close to maxing our cargo weight in the TV anyway. It is just two of us and the dogs.
Before we bought, I did a lot of research about the numbers and got pretty worked up about it. I consulted Ford and a couple of trusted local mechanics and after speaking to them, felt much better about it.
They gave me some common sense tips about my vehicle and how I towed and I always followed them. We did trade up to an F-150, for less towing stress, (plus I got a new truck) so we can do some over the mountains trips without worrying too much.
That's my experience and should be taken only as that. You need to do what's best for you.
The X17Z is a great little trailer and we love ours. There are good mods on this forum and lots of little tricks to make it pretty versatile, but it doesn't have a large storage capacity.
I hope you find what you need and can get out there with your family! Summer's coming!
Good Luck!
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We've been towing our x17z with a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the factory tow package and have not had any problems. Anti sway control but not a wdh. Nice comfortable ride but like others there's just two of us mostly going out for long weekends with our dog. Have loaded the water tank a couple of trips and no problems then either. But I don't try to go over 60 and baby my jeep.
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