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Old 12-18-2013, 09:30 AM   #1
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Considering the X19H

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I have a similar post in the regular Ultra Light TT section about a X213; I'm considering that as well. The X19H is on the table because I believe its the trailer that the X17Z should have been in the first place; plenty of CCC and slightly more spacious inside w/ a little more storage and drawers.

I really dislike manufacturers (I say this b/c Jayco is not the only one) making travel trailers and hybrids around the 3500 pound frame in order to market to new RV owners that tow with less capable vehicles. Only after you own it do you truly begin to realize the sacrifices made to hit that 3500 pound mark.

Rant aside, we do like what the X17Z brought to the table as far as creature comforts and layout, so the X19H is on the table. Plus its cheaper than that X213. Either will be purchased w/ the 2" lift kit, and I'm thinking I could probably do better on the television be it either price or size for the same price Jayco is charging.

Anybody feel the power package is a can't miss add on? My dealer does not stock the X19H with either the lift kit or the power package so mine would need to be ordered.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:55 AM   #2
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Personally, I'm a bit leery of power awnings and tongue jacks, so I opted for no power package on our X20e. Maybe I just don't know what I'm missing. Two reasons why we went without: 1) we boondock about 50% of the time and 2) the jack and awning systems are fairly easy to operate on their own and have little chance of breakage, IMO.

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Old 12-18-2013, 11:01 AM   #3
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I'm actually fine w/ the manual awning on the X17Z we currently have; it was more the jack. I've never towed w/ a WDH before so I'm wondering if the power jack adds anything to this equation. That being said, the X19 isn't particularly tongue heavy so I was leaning towards going w/o the power package.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:21 PM   #4
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I added a power tongue jack to our X23B and love it. Cranking wasn't difficult with about 600# on the tongue but I like toys (the bride likes it too - hint, hint). It has a crank attachment if the motor fails. I (and I think most folks) use the power jack to raise the TT/TV combination to set the spring bars on the WDH. Our TT came with a power awning and it has been trouble free over the 2+ years we owned our TT. "S1" and "Roll" both make good points about the other side of the conversation tho.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:41 PM   #5
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I have been camping my entire life, from tiny little mountaineering tents to traditional TTs. Our 23B is our first trailer we purchased, before that we would barrow from my parents or rent a MH. Our 23B is the first electric awning I have used. Personally, I like the manual awning, they tend to extend out farther, you can move the base leg and have it setup like a column, so it is nearly completely out of the way, and they are extremely reliable. Typically they are easier to setup and takedown with two people, but after a little practice you can do it by yourself really quickly. We have never had any mechanical issues with our power awning. But I hit my head all the time on the support arms if I do not hang something from the low point. They are very susceptible to wind damage. If it ever fails in the open position, I could be a real pain to field repair. Ours came with a long auxiliary power cable. I looked over the instructions once. You have to remove the motor cover and jumper the leads and connect the other ends to some other source of 12V power. There is no manual crank, so what do you do if it is not due to a bad power supply????

As for the power tongue jack, that is a nice to have, and some people would say a necessity with a WDH. They can be easily added in the future. I do not have one, but I am younger (40’s) and do not have any issues doing a little manual labor, and technically it is one of my kid’s job to do. It seems to take about the same amount of time to do it manually verse with a powered jack. So if it is raining you will get just as wet. As for the labor for dis/connecting the TV and TT. You basically have to lift and lower the unit twice. If you car connecting up. You need to lift the tongue to clear for the ball, and then lower onto the ball. Once the ball is connected to the tongue, you need to lift again to reduce the forces from the bars, so you can connect them up, then you need to lower the tongue back down and raise the jack all the way. Depending on your vehicle, WDH and site location will depend on how much you need to raise and lower. With a WDH like Equalizer brand you need to lift until all the weight is off the bars, to be safe. With Reese (chains) you have a small lever bar that you need to use to lift and lower the bars, so you can have some tension on the bars. However, with the Reese system you can make your own bar that is 2.5 – 3 feet long with a bend on the end, and then you almost never have to lift the unit to release or apply the tension. In regards to the WDH, get a good one with integrated sway control. I have used both the Equalizer brand and the Reese Dual Cam WHD, and like them both.
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I also like the versatility of the manual awning over the power awning, but appreciate my power tongue jack. Of course my trailer has a TW of 900+ so its nice to raise the tongue and truck with the jack to engage/disengage the WD spring bars. Many folks DO like their power awning however as indicated in this poll/discussion:

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I wouldn't use my awning as much if it was manual. While not difficult, I don't like to leave it open when I'm not there or when I'm sleeping and would find it a hassle to extend and retract all of the time.

I like the power jack, but it's not a deal breaking. My wife likes it a lot though. I'm not a fan of lifting the TV with the jack. I just hook up the WD bars before putting much weight on the hitch and then lower the tongue.
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Give me the buttons and power everything...... I like 'em!

The power jack is priceless....
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I really dislike manufacturers (I say this b/c Jayco is not the only one) making travel trailers and hybrids around the 3500 pound frame in order to market to new RV owners that tow with less capable vehicles. Only after you own it do you truly begin to realize the sacrifices made to hit that 3500 pound mark.
It's all in the eyes of the beholder. If you go in knowing you can't carry everything and may have to limit your camping gear, the 3500 pound trailer offers a lot of convenience -- especially for two people. We didn't need to purchase a new Ford F-150 to tow it and it takes up less room in the yard when in storage. We just plan for our trips which is fun, too. So we don't bring our Dutch oven, full compliment of cast iron pots and pans, our anti-gravity chairs, etc. We look for lower weight alternatives and we are fine. We fill our water tanks at the campground and dump when we leave the campground. It just takes a bit of planning, but it becomes second nature.
Our goal was to have a nice trailer that is comfortable, but not so comfortable that we don't want to leave it and sit inside rather than around a campfire. The 17Z works for us and a lot of other folks with smaller vehicles. We knew we were buying a weight limited trailer and we are fine with that. It was a nice step up from a pop-up.
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Old 12-19-2013, 07:01 AM   #10
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It's all in the eyes of the beholder. If you go in knowing you can't carry everything and may have to limit your camping gear, the 3500 pound trailer offers a lot of convenience -- especially for two people. We didn't need to purchase a new Ford F-150 to tow it and it takes up less room in the yard when in storage. We just plan for our trips which is fun, too. So we don't bring our Dutch oven, full compliment of cast iron pots and pans, our anti-gravity chairs, etc. We look for lower weight alternatives and we are fine. We fill our water tanks at the campground and dump when we leave the campground. It just takes a bit of planning, but it becomes second nature.
Our goal was to have a nice trailer that is comfortable, but not so comfortable that we don't want to leave it and sit inside rather than around a campfire. The 17Z works for us and a lot of other folks with smaller vehicles. We knew we were buying a weight limited trailer and we are fine with that. It was a nice step up from a pop-up.
I knew full well the CCC of the X17Z. I also know, from reading this forum and others, that in years past Jayco put a 3500 pound axle on the X17Z. Later they moved it to a 3300 pound axle. Both were fine and allowed for some play w/ your weights. This 2014 has a 3000 pound axle; loading this trailer to max (not hard) puts 100% stress on the axle. I don't like that at all. Its not like the X17Z is a trailer w/ 1500 pounds of CCC and MAYBE you RARELY hit the top number of that once in a blue moon. These newer X17s are running max axle all the time.

Just not for me.
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