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Old 10-08-2021, 11:26 AM   #21
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@Geoscience_guy - please introduce yourself to the Enter key on your keyboard or keypad. Those posts are brutal to read.
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Old 10-08-2021, 12:11 PM   #22
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@Geoscience_guy - please introduce yourself to the Enter key on your keyboard or keypad. Those posts are brutal to read.
Sorry - I write a lot of very large technical reports - engineering & geoscience, typed these up in less than 5-min. while doing an online seminar--- didn't worry about format. May go back and place in the following "manual" type format;

Reasons to use the new style trim:
· a) Retain value of the camper, and
reduce a possible surprise leak in the field.


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Old 10-12-2021, 07:19 PM   #23
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I dont have access to my camper now. My cracks look just like the ones in the OPs
pics.
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Old 10-17-2021, 05:11 AM   #24
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New Trim Installed

Here is the final installation of the new trim design, I ordered the trim for a 2020 Z17X trim for my 2017 19UXD Jay Feather 7, because of the width of the Jay Feather 7, had to cut off a little off the upper trim.

The trim pinches the J-Lock strip so I will not have to drill holes and use screws, as the factory did that caused the cracks and separation of the plastic strip.
I have not replaced the plastic strip yet, wanted to see how this would work before the replacement. So far looks very promising, see attached pictures.

I will start the complaint process with the AG on the strip matter which so many have been experiencing due to the factory installation.
The pictures are taken of the front bunk installation of the new trim only. It took about 1 hour to complete the installation. I will attach the Jayco design later - hope this helps folks ---
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Old 10-18-2021, 11:03 AM   #25
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Jayco Trim Ded Door Opening Assy

Please find the attached drawing: Jayco Trim, Bed Door Opening Assy. This design was attached to the pictures from Jayco parts. As shown, trim to "pinch" tent welt around openings. From the looks of the drawing, there should be no need to drill holes in the welt (plastic trim).
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Old 10-21-2021, 09:03 PM   #26
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Hi Merrick- must of the forums and other resources I referenced indicated the problem was not a defect with J-strip, J-lock or J-channel (J-Lock) plastic strip that is sewn onto the canvas for the premature failure of the strip (in some, if not most, cases-the plastic strip is fractured off the Jayco assembly line – I define as failure), it is the screws – in Jayco’s case, self-tapping screws along with over-torquing of those screws in most cases during factory installation (I cannot say all the Jayco hybrids – all I can say is a lot). There are drill bits made for drilling holes in plastic, not self-tapping screws, that will reduce the chance of a fracture in the plastic; however, as I have been advised on the installation by canvas shops, the J-Lock was not designed for a screw to be drilled or hole to be drilled into the plastic – the J-Lock has a flex factor, as it ages it will be less, but somewhat uniform throughout the strip, if the tension is uniform. What I have noticed on most pictures, the separation or cracks in the plastic is at the corners, where the screws have fractured the plastic in a small area- that is the damage which is not covered will continue to creep. Now, to repair the fracture or crack, in some cases a separation with a washer to stop the growth of the fracture or crack or close the separation - I have noticed that some dealers will drill a hole and place a washer, so that if there is a fracture in the plastic it is covered so it will not creep (some would have screws and washers – 6-inches etc. – crazy); however, this may cause more tension on the area of the threads where the plastic is sewn onto the canvas or shorten the flex of the plastic. My tension bar for the setup of the bunk was on the last adjustment, so I did not have a way to reduce the tension on the canvas (plastic strip) – so I fixed that problem – it was very tight before I shortened the outer part of the pole so it could be adjusted. Tension is a big factor in the fracture creep process (simple plastic mechanics-it is like a wave that runs in front of the fracture and moves forward - creep). Again, discussions with some of the canvas folks – the J-Lock should last for approximately 10 years before the strip needs to be replaced – but that also depends on some other factors like tension – it may last longer, exposure etc. Not all hybrids use J-Lock with a screw – Starcraft, which is under the same Thor group as Jayco, changed to the new trim over J-Lock design sometime in 2016-17 – Jayco had a design in 2018 that involved the trim over J-Lock using no screws – to my understanding – no holes in the J-Lock in the 2020-21 models. To upgrade my camper, I had to order from the 2020 model to get the trim over the J-Lock, still waiting on the shipment – haven’t heard anything (problems – but they haven’t been using this design long) on the newer design on Jayco, and on the Starcraft with their new design, which is the same as Jayco. For us with the pre-2020 installation involving the self-tapping screws; well------, we live with the washers, glue or whatever until it separates – leaks, etc. My plan is to install the new trim design to check the install – see if the tension is uniform or spread around the corners with the new trim covers and the new top & side trim to the J-Lock with a pinch on the J part to hold the strip in place, as to the drawing I acquired indicates. If all looks good, I will order the new J-Lock strip, since Jayco will not provide new tents (let the AG office handle that part), have a shop replace the plastic (I live in El Paso – tons of shops) – I would like this problem fixed to retain the value of the camper and reduce a possible surprise leak in the field - for folks that install a new strip or canvas – this maybe an option to drilling holes. I have depended on my own experience with my camper and my discussions with the service people at Jayco (very bad experience with these people-never again), dealers, canvas folks, and this forum and other forums. Hope this helps Thank you.
I have the same problem with the plastic ‘j-strip’ separation- Can you tell me a part ‘name’ or a part number & where I can order it from? I need to replace the strip on both canvases. Not real sure if I can find my way back to this thread & this forum or not - blaschkedennis@gmail.com
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Old 10-22-2021, 03:51 AM   #27
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I have the same problem with the plastic ‘j-strip’ separation- Can you tell me a part ‘name’ or a part number & where I can order it from? I need to replace the strip on both canvases. Not real sure if I can find my way back to this thread & this forum or not - blaschkedennis@gmail.com
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Hi Dennis, what year & model do you have - can you post a picture? Below are some contacts for the strip or you can ship them in: back log was something like 24 weeks -



Carol Iapalucci
President
Top Stitch
921 Summa Drive
Elkhart, IN 46516
Phone: 574-293-6633
Cell: 574-276-0195
Fax: 574-522-3322
Email: carol@topstitchusa.com Website: www.topstitchusa.com


Omega Insert installed is $100/bunk plus the shipping. We are 24 + weeks out at this time.
Omega Insert is $3/Ft plus the shipping.
Leane

Bear Creek Canvas

802 North Pacific Street
Spencer, WI 54479
715.659.2777 or 800.701.8368
info@bearcreekcanvas.com

Jayco Dealer Part No. 0181878 $0.99 per ft.
You have to order from the dealer - you can have it drop shipped - the dealer rep. said this was the orig plastic strip ?

I talked to Bear Creek for over an hour - it sounds like the Omega strip they sale is a little heavier? From all feed back - they do a great job on replacing the strip if you have time to wait.


Top Stitch will not warranty the strip if you put a hole in it as the factory install shows-I installed the new trim on mine- I have not replaced the strip yet.


Please post some pictures and a little history on the problem- Thank you!
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