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Old 03-06-2021, 08:45 PM   #1
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Major Damage - Help!

Newbie here, just bought a 2000 Kiwi 23B. Clearly didnít do enough research on what to look for before buying, asked a lot of questions about systems & leaks & it looked to be in decent shape. Guy told me no leaks & 1st rain after I got it home I found water coming in near the rear bunk. As I dug in to it I found pretty bad water damage in the roof & floor. Found the wood where the camper bolts to the metal trailer frame completely rotted on one side. As I was looking underneath at the frame found that thereís no black water holding tank either. Iíve stopped digging in to it at this point and am trying to assess whether to continue and try to repair it or cut my losses & get rid of it for whatever I can get. Not even sure if itís possible to repair the trailer mounts. Any suggestions?
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Damage sounds pretty severe by your description. Can you post pictures so we can try and asses and give you some guidance?
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Damage sounds pretty severe by your description. Can you post pictures so we can try an asses and give you some guidance?
Iíll get some pics on here tomorrow morning.
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Anything can be repaired, but it takes lots of time and patience and $. I restored a 69 canned ham camper, had to tebud the floors, walls and roof. If you choose to repair, take lots of before and as you go pics for ref, you’ll need them later, and just keep chipping away until yo get to good wood. Come here and ask questions if you get stuck. Take your time.
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I also took a starcraft popup down to the frame. Yours is 20 years old. You will find more once you start digging in to it. knowing what I know now, I would unload it, but some people like a challenge.
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Damage sounds pretty severe by your description. Can you post pictures so we can try and asses and give you some guidance?
Here are a few pictures. The ones where you can see the bolts are under the floor inside the rear cabinets. This is where it attached to the trailer frame & the wood is completely rotted. How would I go about replacing this wood so I can secure the bolts? I havenít taken down any ceiling panels yet, but the other pics show the rotten roof where I have a small opening to see.
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Seems the seller has been not up front with you. Even when it is a 2000 Kiwi you can expect some damage to water, which he should have pointed out.
Everything is repairable at what cost and the question is are you a capable DIYer?
Mold has to be neutralized at any event.
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Outlook is not good
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Was the seller a dealer??? If he was I would ask for money back, then ask a lawyer if seller sold illegally by hiding major damage. If a big dealer make sure you hit every media review you can find, post his name here won't hurt and might save the next guy.
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From what I see from your pictures this looks like long term water damage. Who knows what the heck your going to find when you start to open it up. I would cut my losses and move on, but that's me. Good luck on what ever you decide to do!
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I've done floor and roof replacements (links in sig) and I can tell you if you do the work it is going to take several weeks unless you're retired/unemployed and still cost a few thousand dollars. If you have someone do it it'll take several months and cost more than selling this one for parts and buying a replacement.

I was a first time buyer and thought I did a good job looking the trailer over before I bought it. Knowing now what I didn't then I would have passed and I feel for anybody that makes the same mistake (for lack of better word).
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well that sux!
experience test first lesson later... I would cut my losses..
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I'd consider it a total loss and begin a rebuild without pressure. It will be an adventure and you'll learn something in the process. Do you have a place that you can work in?
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Big question, are you handy??

First thing I would do is reach out to Jayco with your vin #, and ask for the structural drawings. I'm not sure if Jayco has them back to 2000. But it is worth a try.

Not sure how your 2000 model is built compared to my 2010 model. Is your floor a single layer of wood or is it a composite (wood-foam-wood). I recommend locating where your 7 pin wire harness enters the TT (under the dinette, left side??). My rig has a big 2" diameter hole for the harness. It is very easy to see how the floor is assembled. I would also crawl under the TT, and look at any bracing.

Back in the late 80's (???) we lifted the back of my parents TT, and replaced the last 4 feet of flooring that rotted out. Did it in a weekend, it was not a composite floor. That did not include the time to make it pretty again.

One of the nice things about these TTs, there is only a few screws that hold things to the floor, walls and to each other. Take some time, make a plan, take a million photos, so you know how it should go back together.

Cannot leak if there is no tank. I could see him saying they TT does not leak and truly believe it. But with a black tank missing, he know there was an issue. You asked about leaks, and completely lied about the tank. Personally, I would approach him on it.

Good luck let us know how you proceed.
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