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Old 08-30-2013, 09:22 AM   #11
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Thanks for all the advice...We may just go with the X20 since there are only two of us going.....We have been to a jayco dealer here (Arkansas) and spent some time looking at the X20 and 23 model and like them...There is a big RV show in Dallas Sept 12 - 14 that we will be going to, that should have a better selection. I have been reading alot about the Rockwood Roo as well, even on this board and it seems that some people like them as much as the Jayco models.
The EQ for the hitch has me concerned, a number of years ago we had a 29 ft. TT that needed an EQ and after a number of trips and my bad back we got rid of that TT because of the EQ, it was a pain...What is the "break" point that you need an EQ for? Is it when the TW of the TT is more that the hitch on the turck or what??

Thanks again for all the help....

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Old 08-30-2013, 10:41 AM   #12
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I'm not understanding something. EQ? Are you referring to an Equalizer hitch? If so, what was it about the hitch that caused you problems? Unless you get a 3/4 ton or 1 ton you almost certainly need a W/D hitch. Equalizer is just one brand. The "breaking point" for needing one is tongue weight. Know what tongue weight your TV can support. There are two ratings, dead weight, and with a w/d hitch. For example, my Trailblazer can support a dead hitch weight of 400 lbs, and a w/d t/w of 750. The X20E is going to have a t/w of 550 - 650 lbs depending on how you load it. The other factor is your suspension. Even if the tongue weight of my X20E was under 400 lbs, I'd still use the w/d hitch because the Trailblazer has a soft suspension. I just have a generic brand of spring bar hitch with 1k lb bars, but I don't find it difficult to use at all. Its takes me all of 3 minutes to unhitch.
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:50 AM   #13
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We did similar to what you are doing now. Started at the RV show looking at all of the different makes (coming from the Popup world), Jayco was one of the first we looked at. As we went to the other manufactures, we kept comparing them back to the Jayco. When we got done with the show, it was decided that it was either a Jayco or a Roo, depending on which we could get the best deal on.

We then went to a Jayco dealer, had them open the range of Hybrids (17, 18, 19, 20 and 23) then we ditched the sales person so that we could go through all of them to compare / contrast. Our opinion:
x17b -- We liked it, but wanted the ability to turtle should we stop at a rest area / walmart / etc. Since we are both over 6' the dinette and couch were not long enough to be comfortable.
18' -- We liked the 3rd bed, however it took up a lot of wall space making the layout not work for us.
19' -- Had the same problem as the 17' with the inability to turtle comfortably.
x20e -- Really like the slide and the space it created, the dual axles, ability to have two sleep surfaces over 6' turtled. Very comfortable. Wasn't a fan of the table in the "U" shaped dinette -- made it difficult to slide around to sit or access the front bunk due to the limited height between the table and the seat. Was not a fan of the limited counter space or there being no drawer for utensils.
x23b -- Had all of the benefits of the 20' and resolved several of the negatives, however it also had a few negatives -- like TV placement, it being 3' longer and it exceeded the limits of my then current TV.

All in all, we picked the x20e and love it. We have been on several week long trips and it has worked out well. We don't use the dinette table, just collapse it and toss it up on the front bunk with our clothes. This opens up the floor plan amazingly well. The lack of counter space has not been too bad with the addition of the board over the stove (we don't cook in the TT). We put shelves in the wardrobe and use it for food storage. We have been shut-in a few days due to weather and it is very comfortable for one person to stretch out on the couch to read (there are reading lights above the couch) and the other to stretch out on the dinette seating. The shower in the x20e was not built for someone over 6', as you have to step up into it, causing you to be very close to the ceiling. I know that in some units they have a skylight here, which helps with this issue.

I had a Toyota Tacoma for a TV pulling the x20e. It did OK, but did struggle on inclines, high winds, etc. Short trips I was fine, but refused to go on any long trips due to some white knuckle incidents. I ended up trading the Tacoma for a Tundra and it's a world of difference. The Tundra has so much power that often times I don't even notice the trailer back there. Of course the downside with the Tundra is the gas mileage -- there are always trade off's. Would rather spend a little more in gas and feel safe.

If I knew that I was going to upgrade the TV to a Tundra, we probably would have gone with the x23b, however we have no regrets with the x20e.

Good luck with your search! Keep us posted on what you decide.
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Old 08-30-2013, 11:02 AM   #14
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We don't use the dinette table, just collapse it and toss it up on the front bunk with our clothes. This opens up the floor plan amazingly well.
We've had "U" shaped dinettes on 3 trailers now, our old pop-up, our old 17ft hybrid, and the X20E. We agree, getting around that table is just a pain. We found long ago that taking the table and using it outside not only frees up floor space making the inside roomier, but it gives us a place to set things outside under the awning. Floor space in our 17ft hybrid was especially at a premium, but we still do it with the X20E.
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:08 PM   #15
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Keadhuner,

Thanks for the comparison between all the models, I am 6'1" and need the room as well.....We are leaning to the X20, it has what we need. We had sometime ago a 29' TT with a Chev 2500HD for a TV the Equalizer hitch was, well a pain to put on and take off, the dealer said it would get easier as we used it, never did, then screwing up my back was the last straw.....Guess I can't avoid it. For a TV we are looking at an F-150 Eco which should meet all our needs including not-as-bad gas milage.
Docbrown: thanks for the hitch weight examples, now, what brand of spring bar are you using? I'm guessing from what you are saying all are a "little" different.

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Old 08-30-2013, 01:21 PM   #16
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Jim, I apologize but for the life of me I can't think of the brand name. Its really just a generic w/d hitch with standard spring bars. My sway control bar is a Reese friction type bar. I used this setup on my Kiwi 17a and was a little worried that it would not be adequate for the X20E. It works beautifully. I've never had anything else so I can't compare how easy they are. This might be a really question to ask you dealer. My dealer has some jigs setup to display the different w/d hitches and they can show people how to use them.

The hardest part of mine is cranking the dolly up to take the pressure off the bars. The bars, chains, and friction sway control bar all come off real easy. One thing I will warn you about is the ball latch on the tongue of the trailer. When its new its pretty stiff. The first few times I had a lot of trouble getting it to move and release the ball. Once it started loosening up it got real easy. But that wasn't until after 6 times or so of uncoupling it.
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We have a Valley WDH on ours with the Reese friction Anti-sway bar. Works well.

We had the hand crank jack on the front -- it was quickly replaced with an electric jack.
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:24 AM   #18
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We use the Equalizer w/d hitch and with a power jack, hitching and unhitching is easy as can be.

Even the wife can do it!! :wink:
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:33 AM   #19
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Thanks for the heop on an EQ....I was talking to a Jayco dealer yesterday about getting either an X20 or 23, and he said with a Ford F150 with air shocks I wouldn't need an EQ??? Getting confused about EQ's..

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I don't have any experience with air shocks, but I would still get the WDH for added insurance and peace of mind.......
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