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Old 10-06-2013, 01:11 AM   #1
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What made you decide to go with a hybrid vs. a standard box trailer

Great site! I have been reading the forum until the crack of crazy for the past few night trying to learn all I can before we pick up the new trailer! LOL We are picking up our new X17Z (bought the screen room too) on Tuesday, going out for our first camping and probably last trip for the season with it on Thursday or I might sneak one more trip in early November. We went camping for the first time with the kids this year (15, 12, 3 and 7 months). LOVED it! We had a huge huge tent and I bought a Mr. Heater when it got a wee bit too cold, was fabulous! The only downfall we did find is between the packing, loading the hitch cargo, unloading, setting up camp, tearing down, unloading the cargo and back up to my condo was way too much work for a weekend trip. Oh and storage of all my camping gear in my condo was comical to say the least.

We looked at trailers back in the day and realized that we couldn't pull too much. (Mazda CX9) We went to the dealership looking to buy a PUP, boy have they come a long way but lack of cargo storage was an issue in my eyes. We turned the corner at the dealership and VIOLA....a trailer we could actually tow and our cargo had a home! We did REALLY like the X23F but unfortunately the TV couldn't pull it (3,500lbs max). We bought our TV used a few years ago and today to our surprise, we have a tow package already installed! Talk about luck! We were really starting to panic about how close we were getting to the max. tow weight.

So to answer my own question, I bought the trailer for weight and I love sleeping in a tent. Best of both worlds! and I negotiated 18 months free storage with my dealership!

I think in a few years I will be upgrading to a larger trailer (20-23 foot hybrid) and a Audi Q7, but I am thrilled with what I have right now..beyond thrilled!

oh QUICK question..how do you season the bed ends. I want to apply a silicone spray to help protect the fabric and naturally help with any leaks.

Thanks again, Michele
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:12 AM   #2
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We bought a used pop up last May, spent 35 nights camping, figured it was time for less set up work and wife didn't want to go to bath house in the middle of the night anymore, had an explorer that pulled the pop up fine, but bought a F150 because we knew we were going to upgrade camper at some point, almost bought a 26 food bunkhouse, but the deal didn't go thru, saw some hybrids and wife decided that the hybrid would be a much better length/weight to deal with, we picked up the hybrid last week, and are using it next weekend. Luckily we live in the south, and are camping for Thanksgiving!
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:33 AM   #3
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Congratulations ... I am sure that you will enjoy the 17Z, although I would caution you with the tow vehicle if you are using the CX9. It is not so much the weight (and mine weighed 3800# loaded) but the air resistance while towing plus the weight. On flat terrain you may be okay but not in the hills. I had a 3500# rated CUV and decided to get my present tow vehicle instead. Sorry if that sounds like I am raining on your parade, just passing on my experience with the same RV.

Now, to season the bunk ends - this is very easy. Use Scotchguard. I emptied 1 whole can on the canvas windows in the two bunk ends and never had any leak issues. I also never camped in a monsoon either but the maiden trip was in constant "soaking" rain for 3 days and it performed perfectly. Matter of fact I was applying the Scotchguard at the campsite with the storm clouds approaching.
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:03 AM   #4
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Congratulations ... I am sure that you will enjoy the 17Z, although I would caution you with the tow vehicle if you are using the CX9. It is not so much the weight (and mine weighed 3800# loaded) but the air resistance while towing plus the weight. On flat terrain you may be okay but not in the hills. I had a 3500# rated CUV and decided to get my present tow vehicle instead. Sorry if that sounds like I am raining on your parade, just passing on my experience with the same RV.

Now, to season the bunk ends - this is very easy. Use Scotchguard. I emptied 1 whole can on the canvas windows in the two bunk ends and never had any leak issues. I also never camped in a monsoon either but the maiden trip was in constant "soaking" rain for 3 days and it performed perfectly. Matter of fact I was applying the Scotchguard at the campsite with the storm clouds approaching.
Since it's our first trip and thankfully all the Provincial parks we like are right across our major highway which is flat. *whew* We added the WDH with a sway bar and naturally trailer brakes. Thankfully the tow package was already in the vehicle. We are going to go slow and steady and see how this goes. We have 4 kids and a dog so a 7 passenger SUV is the only vehicle we could use and fit the family in lol

I was having a hard time finding Scotchguard in the store. One employee at Canadian Tire told me it was pulled off the shelves because one of the primary ingredients was a probable carcinogen So I bought another brand for canvas or heavy weight fabric and another one for light fabric for the screen room

Thanks for your response Michele
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Having owned 2 pup ups and 3 hardsided we have reached a point in our life where easy setup was important. When oir kids where with us setting up was a fun team event. Now its just the wife & I so we have said goodbye to canvas. Our only reason was due to the fact if we packed up in rain we would have to set up at home onnext sunny day to allow it to dry out.

Regarding your TV, you may be finding that you will need a stronger engine sooner than later. You will be suprised at what additional items you will now add to your new trailer. Focus on keeping everything lite and sparse for now, ie. Paper plates, styro cups, minimal gear that you will only need for the weekend, etc..

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Old 10-06-2013, 10:18 AM   #6
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Exactly what we are doing. With every purchase the question comes up "do we NEED it and how much does it weigh" lol We have purchased everything new for the TT and literally we were standing there holding can openers to figure out which one was lighter. lol The only thing that is heavy is our 4 pcs. of cast iron (2 griddles, camp dutch oven, 8" skillet) those I can't live without camping. The rest of the gear, it very light. I bought those Corelle dishes for the trailer, thin thin durable glass, rest of our kitchen stuff is plastic. Our sleeping bags are only 2-3lbs each.

If I had a pot of gold, my TV would be replaced tomorrow. So until then, slow and steady...no backroad adventures. We have some beautiful Provincial parks in Ontario (2-3 hours away from Toronto) so I'm OK.
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You are kind of like us in regards to a tow vehicle. We have the X23B and tow it with a Ford Explorer. I know it's not the ideal TV, but we did things backwards. We purchased the Explorer before we got the trailer. Plus it's my wife's vehicle and she didn't feel comfortable driving a pick-up.

Most of our camping is less than 50 miles so we don't do any cross-country towing with it. We keep speeds at 60 mph or so and so far we haven't had any problems with it.

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Congratulations!

As to season the tent ends, the instructions in the owner’s manual tells you how to do it. They tell you to lightly spray the tents with a regular tap water three times. That it. That is all I did and we have had no issues.

I picked up a plastic accordion style file holder thing-a-ma-jig, separated out the different sections of the owner’s manual and labeled the sections. I strongly recommend reading everything. It will tell you about the maintenance, operations, storage, etc on everything in the HTT.

With the cooler fall season upon us, you may notice condensation inside on the tenting. What works good for us is to crack the bathroom vent open (1/2 inch). Then we crack open one side window on each tent end about 2-4 inches. Once we started doing that we have had no condensation issues at all.

We also carry as small electric space heater (1500 watt ceramic). It produces enough heat to keep the HTT warm for us. When it is down to 20 degs at night I will turn on the gas furnace in the morning to help warm up the floors.


We too were looking for a PU, but could not find one that both the DW and I could agree on. The dealer showed us the 17Z as an alternative, which lead us on the path to our 23B.
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You are kind of like us in regards to a tow vehicle. We have the X23B and tow it with a Ford Explorer. I know it's not the ideal TV, but we did things backwards. We purchased the Explorer before we got the trailer. Plus it's my wife's vehicle and she didn't feel comfortable driving a pick-up.

Most of our camping is less than 50 miles so we don't do any cross-country towing with it. We keep speeds at 60 mph or so and so far we haven't had any problems with it.

Enjoy your new camper!
Frustrating right! Back when we bought the CX9 there was a used Audi Q7 sitting there, we decided to go with the cheaper per month vehicle. Who knew we would be looking at a trailer! UGH, could kick myself. I looked up the Q7 and that machine can pull a lot factory and fit all my kids. The ONLY good thing is whomever owned our CX9 before installed a heavy duty tow package...that helps the cause a bit. We were quite disappointed though, the 23F had room for everyone to sleep comfortably BUT you know what, I will make due with the 17Z. (first world problem). Thankfully 2 of our kids are small and will fit the dinette area for quite a while. By the time they are too tall, my older kids will be off to University and they can take over their bed
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One hint when towing with the CX9 - find out where the engine puts out maximum power and don't be afraid to go there when you need to. I use an FJ towing an X20E (now wishing it was a 23B...). It tows just fine, and since we got it in June we've been to Salt Lake City, Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico, Northern California and several local places (we live in AZ) on two 3-week trips and several long weekends. My wife drives as much or more than I do, and does just fine. The FJ doesn't have a tow package, so we have to shift manually. It's been great handling the hills and mountain passes though. Just don't be afraid to rev it up when needed, and don't try to go crazy with the speed.
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