X17Z Question - weights

[s1njin]

Hey Gang,

So I just did the math on what my final tow home will be. Keeping in mind max weight on the trailer is 3500 pounds.

My sticker on the rig says 3050 from the factory. So ...

+50 for battery
+50 for water in the hot water heater (6 gallons)
=100 pounds w/o trying.

That brings me to 3150 already - leaving a scant 350 pounds of 'stuff'. Doesn't seem like a whole lot ....

Are you guys having any problems loading this unit to go camping?

[donnajk]

Haven't really calculated weight but we always drain the water heater when on the road.

[Rustic Eagle]

I'm sure some X17Z owners will chime in, but your right on the very limited CCC coming off the dealer's lot.

There are a number of JOF threads on the X17Z (search: x17z weight), but here is one that may provide some insight until others reply: http://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...ht=x17z+weight

Bob

[Allamuchy Joe]

Originally Posted by s1njin

Hey Gang,

So I just did the math on what my final tow home will be. Keeping in mind max weight on the trailer is 3500 pounds.

My sticker on the rig says 3050 from the factory. So ...

+50 for battery
+50 for water in the hot water heater (6 gallons)
=100 pounds w/o trying.

That brings me to 3150 already - leaving a scant 350 pounds of 'stuff'. Doesn't seem like a whole lot ....

Are you guys having any problems loading this unit to go camping?

That sounds about right. We do not run with water in our tanks -- we fill up at the campground.

Just be careful what you put into the trailer. I wouldn't bring a lot of stoneware plates and cast iron dutch ovens or anything like that. :-)

In the camper we carry our clothing, food in the fridge, pots & pans, 2 lawn chairs and other "camping" stuff. Anything we deem as "too heavy" for the camper, we put into the TV (like an EZ-up). In fact, we got rid of the Bal Leveler because we thought it was too heavy and went with Lynx Blocks. While the camper might be a little restrictive on weight, it is not too bad at all. It is almost a game looking for "lightweight" items for our camper.

[s1njin]

I already have a bag of Lynx to use for the stabs; I did this w/ the PopUp. I was figuring if I left the BAL at home I'd need another 2 bags of Lynx to be save, and the little plastic orange chocks. Not sure if the trade-off would be worth it - I guess I'd have to see what it all weighs by way of comparison.

We still pack like we tent (cause, well w/ the PUP it wasn't much different). We have a 4 place setting of small stainless steel plates and bowls, Coleman camp cultery, MRS Alpine pot set, heck we even have those super light weight Helinox chairs for our camp chairs. We had no EZ up as I opted for a Big Agnes 3 Forks Shelter (light), but w/ the awning I'm wondering if I'd even need to pack it. Heck I even have lightweight Aquis Microfiber Towels for the 4 of us !!!

[amabee]

X2 on the water, when we had our 17Z we did not carry any water. Beyond that it is certainly doable, we had stuff for 4 people in ours, including some heavy items like a dutch oven and our 2-burner stove(it weighs 35lbs by itself) We did have some stuff in the truck as well, EZ-up, chairs etc.
From the sounds of it, if you keep packing light, you should be just fine.

[Threebutchers]

With our 154BH - we are very careful what (not how much) we stock in the TT. Since my rig is too light for the "scales", I decided to weigh the ENTIRE contents and bolt-on gear at the beginning of the season. Cookware, linens, folding chairs, table, stools, camp kitchen, electric griddle, mats, coolers, extension cords, games, lanterns, tools, paper products, clothing.....everything to go camping for 2 adults and a teen.

We are WELL below 300# of gear.

A micro fiber blanket weighs @ 1/5 of a quilt - a griddle weighs @ 1/30 of a small gas grill - a styrofoam cooler 1/50th of a plastic cooler - Lynx Blocks weigh @ 1/2 of woods blocks - a 10' x 10' screen tent weighs 1/5 what a EZ-UP canopy weighs....(and you get the idea). The "lighter" gear isn't always the cheap stuff either. We paid a pretty penny for our lightweight outdoor mat.

Good luck.....and enjoy stocking your camper! [ATTACH][/ATTACH]

[go wild]

We're on our 4th year with the 17Z and haven't had problems loading it with what we need...including bikes, cooler, a full fridge, canopy, lawn chairs, outdoor carpet, and yes even full fresh water. Had no issues, tires still look like new. We have the dealer do brake/axle maintenance every other year.

[wmoses]

Mine weighed 3800# ready for camping after watching my loading and only using lightweight mods. There was 3200# on the 3500# rated axle with upgraded 14" wheels, and 600# on the tongue. Towed beautifully and had no issues.

[Paulx213]

Shouldn't the battery be included in the shipping weight or did you add an extra battery?

I think 350 lbs is more stuff then you might think. Just don't get carried away thinking you must have everything with your "just in case". Just bring what you need and beware the slippery slope of always adding more things.

[FlyingPenguin]

@wmoses, You have a X17Z with a 3500# axle rating? If so, what year is your HTT? I just picked up my 2014 and it is rated at 3000#.

[Rustic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Paulx213

Shouldn't the battery be included in the shipping weight or did you add an extra battery?....snip

The RV dealership supplies the battery..., thus not included in the Ship Weight or CCC (yellow sticker).

Bob

[wmoses]

Originally Posted by FlyingPenguin

@wmoses, You have a X17Z with a 3500# axle rating? If so, what year is your HTT? I just picked up my 2014 and it is rated at 3000#.

It was a 2010 and the paperwork is all gone to the new owner, but I recall the Dexter axle rating as being 3500#.

UPDATE: Here is the sticker from the side of the RV. It says 3300# but I am sure that the axle that was on the trailer was a 3500# axle.

[s1njin]

Originally Posted by Paulx213

Shouldn't the battery be included in the shipping weight or did you add an extra battery?

I think 350 lbs is more stuff then you might think. Just don't get carried away thinking you must have everything with your "just in case". Just bring what you need and beware the slippery slope of always adding more things.

No, b/c its not shipped from the factory w/ a battery on it. The dealer puts that on. The yellow sticker is the weight 'out the door' from the factory which includes the propane tanks and what they would be if filled up.

[Seann45]

Did you include the weight of passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle? they are all added to your tow weight. The drivers weight is taken as 150 lbs so if you weigh more than that add that as well.

[s1njin]

In this case my owners manual for my truck is rather specific (I think anyway).

It lists out how much they are giving for passenger weight and how much 'stuff' they put in the truck with them.

*snip*
The corresponding weight limits assume occupants fill seats from the front of the vehicle to the back, each occupant weighs 150 lbs (70 kg), and each has 15 lbs (7 kg) of cargo in the cab, pickup bed, or In-Bed Trunk. Any additional weight, including cargo or accessories, reduces the maximum trailer weight and maximum tongue load.
*snip*

I weigh 200, my wife weighs 135, and my 2 girls weigh 45 and 40. So --> 2.8 'Honda People'

At 3 Honda people I am allowed 4750lbs of tow weight and still 600 lbs on the tongue. Still well within the max trailer weight my X17Z would have in it by 1250 pounds.

That is the math that led me to the X17Z. I will have it weighed out and tested at the dealer before I pull her home, and I also will have a test drive with them to make sure it behaves while on the road.

[Rustic Eagle]

Originally Posted by s1njin

snip....... I will have it weighed out and tested at the dealer before I pull her home, and I also will have a test drive with them to make sure it behaves while on the road.

Don't forget that upon departing the dealership you are under "unloaded" TV/HTT conditions....., in most cases if you are using a WDH it will have to be re-adjusted under "loaded" TV/HTT conditions (the dealer can't "pre" adjust for an unknown loaded condition) .

Bob

[s1njin]

Happily my truck did not need the WDH. Like the owner's manual stated, I wouldn't need one and it was right. Very happy about that part.