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Old 12-13-2015, 06:11 AM   #1
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Major Roof Deterioration After 5 Years

I have my roof cleaned and approved EPDM roof protectant applied every six months and have done this without fail since I purchased new in August 2010. This cleaning and treatment is done by my selling dealer service manger. I do spend 4 months each summer on the Florida Gulf Coast at a state park and have done this for 5 consecutive years. One year I spent 5 months so my roof has been subjected to 21 months of lots of UV and heat over the past 5 years. Over the past few months the roof has started to show signs of age, primarily where the a/c's discharge their condensation drip.

This past week when the cleaning was done some rippling of the roof material directly in front of the front a/c was noticed. There was a small seepage of water apparently going through the membrane where it was cracking "alligator skin look" (picture attached). The same thing is happening by the rear a/c, but to a slightly lesser degree. The bottom line is a new roof.

Now for my rant. This roof material was made by Alpha Systems and I reported the alligator skin issue to them a year ago when it was first noticed. They said this was normal aging and no problem. Now a year later we have a failure issue which they still say is normal aging and a non warranty issue. My dealer, which has been in business for over 30 years, says they have never seen Alpha Systems pay any warranty claim. But even if they did agree it was a warranty issue they would have only paid approx $250.00 per their pro-rate schedule which you can not find on their web site. I had to get a copy from my dealer. Their 12 year warranty is not worth the ink it takes to print this on their literature. I wonder why the RV manufacturers even print this "warranty" since it is so bad.

Yesterday I did apply a temporary approved EPDM repair to the area in front of my front a/c pending waiting for my selling dealer to get me in for roof replacement. I used the two step Dicor product. Why didn't I just put the 5'er under a roof? I would, but I don't have that option, so the Dicor system seemed to be a good option. Besides I full time and I have a trip planned for next week to Disney with the grandchildren.

I feel much better this morning with the bad spot being freshly coated so I should be good for a few weeks until the total replacement is done. Fortunately the leak was caught very early and there is no damage internally that is visible.
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Old 12-13-2015, 06:16 AM   #2
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What type of new roof material are they going to install?

Check out www.rvroof.com I have heard good things about them.
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:13 AM   #3
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You did good catching that leak before any significant damage was done.

My fifth wheel is a 2011 and I've got an Alpha Systems EPDM roof on mine. So your post is really getting my attention.

Do you happen to know if your roof is EPDM or TPO?

Do you believe that the water is leaking through the "alligator skin" area?
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I have not researched the roof system as it doesn't apply to me. Lots of people keep RV's in the areas you mention. Are complaints like yours popping up a bunch on the internet?

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I have my roof cleaned and approved EPDM roof protectant applied every six months and have done this without fail since I purchased new in August 2010. This cleaning and treatment is done by my selling dealer service manger. ...
Maybe too much of a good thing?

A 6 month treatment schedule seems very aggressive to me. Any product designed to adhere to the roof surface needs some ability to bond. Often the bonding is facilitated by a solvent which under normal use flashes off and doesn't alter the membrane structure *much*.

"Approved". Approved by whom? Is the product that was applied approved on such an aggressive maintenance schedule? I was under the impression that most roof system manufacturers recommend periodic cleaning with soap products until there are indications of deterioration.

Check with some roofing experts. My comments are just questions.

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Old 12-13-2015, 08:13 AM   #5
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Is a whole roof replacement necessary at this point or could you just patch the affected areas by the AC with Eternabond and get several more years out of it? As for the warranty I have always been skeptical about those long term warranties like they have on roofs, including residential ones. They are very easy for them to deny or prorate down to the point where they are worthless.
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Old 12-13-2015, 08:52 AM   #6
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Check out RV Roof Sprayed Sealant I have heard good things about them.
This looks interesting. If you have to pay out of pocket because the Alpha warranty is useless, I wonder what the cost of this vs. total roof replacement would be. The spray on seems to be a little less invasive than total roof replacement as well. My Alpha roof is going on 5 years old now and not showing your kind of damage. I gently wash it once a year with a soft bristle brush. I hope you get it all figured out.
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Old 12-13-2015, 09:38 AM   #7
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What type of new roof material are they going to install?

Check out RV Roof Sprayed Sealant I have heard good things about them.

It will most likely be Dicor. I'm definitely not going to give Alpha Systems anymore of my business. Now in all fairness Dicor might be just as bad, but I don't know that at this point.

I have heard good things about rv roof as well and there are actually two different companies with very similar names and services. I'm just not comfortable with the concept.
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You did good catching that leak before any significant damage was done.

My fifth wheel is a 2011 and I've got an Alpha Systems EPDM roof on mine. So your post is really getting my attention.

Do you happen to know if your roof is EPDM or TPO?

Do you believe that the water is leaking through the "alligator skin" area?
My roof is EPDM.

Yes, the leak is through the alligator skin area. Alpha Systems said a year ago that this cracking was normal and didn't go through the black substrate, just the white top portion. Obviously BS.
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Is a whole roof replacement necessary at this point or could you just patch the affected areas by the AC with Eternabond and get several more years out of it? As for the warranty I have always been skeptical about those long term warranties like they have on roofs, including residential ones. They are very easy for them to deny or prorate down to the point where they are worthless.
I have similar areas by the rear a/c also, but just not as bad. I'm scared not to replace the entire thing. What if I'm not lucky the next time and catch it early. Most insurance policies do not include coverage for water leakage, so I don't want a major structural issue on top of a roof.

This picture is the roof on the right side of the rear a/c. This discoloration/stain/etc. area as well as other portions of the roof just convinces me to get rid of it all.
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I think both Alpha Ply and EPDM have been discontinued. That is why JAYCO is using the new single ply roofing material.
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