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Old 04-08-2016, 11:59 PM   #1
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2015 Seneca 37FS vs 2016 Seneca 37FS

Hello everyone. I am looking to get a 2016 Seneca 37FS. The 2016 I am looking at has air brakes, but I am finding that the 2015 has Power ABS Brakes. As I understand it, the air brakes are far superior, however, there is a new 2015 model year for sale in Texas for $149,995 vs the 2016 fo $164,995 at my local dealership. Can anyone with the 2015 with the Power Brakes advise if the air brakes are worth spending the extra money for the 2016? Also, I am having a hard time finding a comparison sheet from the 2015 to the 2016 model year to see what improvements were made if anyone could help with that I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
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I'm upgrading from a 2014 to a 2016.

A few things to consider:

The 2016 has a linoleum floor vs. individual tile. If the floor were to get damaged in the 2015 it's a realitively, simple fix by replacing the damaged tile. With the 2016 although the wood linoleum looks great it would be difficult to repair.

The front seats in the 2016 are the factory Freightliner grey vinyl, the 2015 and earlier have Flexsteel seats with fabric to match the rest of the coach interior.

The kitchen back splash and counter tops have been changed to a different style as well for 2016.

The good stuff:

As you noted, the later built 2016's have air brakes in addition to air seats.

The big thing for me... No spliced frame.

The early 2016's and prior build coaches ride on stretched frames from MorRyde. Jayco would purchase the M2 106 chassis, send it to MorRyde and have the frame stretched, lengthen the drive shaft, brake lines, wiring and weld the supports for the coach floor. There is a plate welded to each frame rail where the rails are but-welded together.

When the new chassis are ordered with the air brakes they are also ordered from Freightliner with the lengthened frame rails, no welded, extended frames. The chassis is now all Freightliner. This was a biggie to me.

So my take, early 2016 and before, nicer interior. Later 2016, better chassis.
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As a person with a CDL the air brakes would be my choice.
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:13 AM   #4
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Air brakes and air ride, awesome!

It takes a while to get used to the air pressure to build up, but this 37ft rig will stop on a dime. And the 160k you were quoted; it's a steal for a 2016. Sure it would be nice to have matching captains chairs to match the dacor, I'm gonna get some seat covers to remedy that. I'm happy with my 2016, have had no issues except engine light coming on, on my way home from purchase. Checked everyone under hood, oil dip stick wasn't locked into notches. Turned engine back on and light was off.
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:22 AM   #5
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I have a 2015, and have no problem with the brake operation. The braking system works really well. I also have driven commercial trucks with air brakes for many years. I think both work very good, and do their job as they should. As far a s air ride seats, my seats in the 2015 are very comfortable with having no air. Drive them both, then make your decision!
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I'm upgrading from a 2014 to a 2016.

A few things to consider:

The 2016 has a linoleum floor vs. individual tile. If the floor were to get damaged in the 2015 it's a realitively, simple fix by replacing the damaged tile. With the 2016 although the wood linoleum looks great it would be difficult to repair.

The front seats in the 2016 are the factory Freightliner grey vinyl, the 2015 and earlier have Flexsteel seats with fabric to match the rest of the coach interior.

The kitchen back splash and counter tops have been changed to a different style as well for 2016.

The good stuff:

As you noted, the later built 2016's have air brakes in addition to air seats.

The big thing for me... No spliced frame.

The early 2016's and prior build coaches ride on stretched frames from MorRyde. Jayco would purchase the M2 106 chassis, send it to MorRyde and have the frame stretched, lengthen the drive shaft, brake lines, wiring and weld the supports for the coach floor. There is a plate welded to each frame rail where the rails are but-welded together.

When the new chassis are ordered with the air brakes they are also ordered from Freightliner with the lengthened frame rails, no welded, extended frames. The chassis is now all Freightliner. This was a biggie to me.

So my take, early 2016 and before, nicer interior. Later 2016, better chassis.
Thank you all for the quick info.

So you are saying if it 100% has the air brakes, it 100% does not have a stretched frame? Thanks again.
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Thank you all for the quick info.

So you are saying if it 100% has the air brakes, it 100% does not have a stretched frame? Thanks again.
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Are the seats able to rotate to the living room?
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Are the seats able to rotate to the living room?
No, the front seats do not swivel on any of the Freightliner chassis years. There is a pronounced step down from the coach floor level to the cab floor.

I would also like to add that I have never had any "issues" with my 2014's hydraulic 4-wheel disc brakes. But it might make me consider a move if Jayco had opted for Freightliner to install 4-wheel air disc brakes. We moved to those on our department's fire trucks due to increased effectiveness and easier inspection and servicing. Not that drums are bad, they still are in service on hundreds of thousands of trucks/trailers out there. But talk to a big rig mechanic and ask which he would rather work on!
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:48 PM   #10
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It may seem like a small difference but when the co-pilot notices it, it matters. The larger window in 2016 results in smaller cabinet and the removal of "plate space" at the galley. DW is 5'5" and can't readily reach into the higher cabinets. Yep, know there is storage over TV in mine but with the big slide in you can't get to it.
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