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Old 11-09-2014, 07:44 PM   #21
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Well, as long as you don't carry much water (8lb per gallon) and the tongue weight max would be 500lbs... then depending on passengers and how many that can add up... I'd guess if it were my wife, myself, 2 grown kids and grand kids.. it would be close to 800lbs or even 850lbs... Phew, your right it's adding up fast!
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Old 11-10-2014, 01:29 AM   #22
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David... mine is a 2013 Greyhawk 31SS. Not sure they make that model but it's nearly identical to the 31FK except for arrangement of the kitchen, couch and table. 4,100# in tow is not too bad on flat roads, but we have lots of mountains around here so you just have to be prepared to go slow and try not to piss off everyone behind you. I have looked at Jeep Wranglers, and from what I recall they are a little lighter. I'm still researching the Fiat 500C. I understand the manual tranny version can be flat towed with no modifications.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:16 PM   #23
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Well we had a nice weekend and decided to pull our 4 week old 2015 31FK out of her storage garage and give her a little exercise for a 75 mile ride and do some odds and ends around her at the house. That said we took her over to the gravel pit and they obliged us with their scales and took the following readings:
Front axle 4680; rear 7700; gross 12440 which was with half a tank of propane and just a half a tank of gasoline and no other weight except for the driver. The thing of it is if you add up the front axle and rear axle numbers it totals 12380 in the gross weight that was taken to midscale. could this be affected by how far forward I had pulled with the front axle in that measurement and how much was left on the scale with the rear axle when I pulled off?

The yellow factory tag states 12426 is the manufactured weight with a full tank of propane in gasoline. I guess in the end all the numbers are relative and that if you use their manufactured wait the gross weight that I have from the scale today I only weigh about 14 pounds given that I was sitting in the vehicle when they did the coach weight! LOL. Oh and don't I wish…

PS: Possible lake effect snow in our forecast for later this week...here in sunny Western New York where it hit 70 today!
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Old 11-11-2014, 05:33 PM   #24
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WEW, Your so close I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.. Actually it looks pretty good. So on the little yellow tag.. what does it say for Carry capacity? And have you identified it is a 2014 chassis with 22,000lbs as the specs say on Jayco...

I was a bit annoyed, I called Jayco today... Talked with someone about weights.. She only had what was on the brochure and an older carry capacity of 1760lbs or so... I asked if that was based on a 22000 lb frame of the 2015 and she was puzzled .. she wanted to know if I wanted to talk to sale... I said now is there a way you can call over to the plant and ask them about MH's coming down their line and what the yellow tag says for a MH with a 22,000 lbs chassis... she took my number and said someone would call me back. . that was at 10am this morning.. You guessed it.... No Call!

I also asked her about the warranty of the roof, she said Jayco warranty was 2 years but the Manufacture warranty was another 10 years on a declining scale ... but she was not sure what was covered... and it meant that I have to have proof that I resealed the roof every 12 months so, that was some good information..

If you can WDW, check and see if your chassis is the 22,000 lb for the 2015 coach and see if you can find the sticker with the sticker weight for CCC..
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Old 11-11-2014, 05:44 PM   #25
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Yes ours is 22,000 with th occ stickered at 2074. The Ford was manufactured in April 2014 and the Jayco assembly was completed in June.
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:20 PM   #26
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WDW, thanks, that is what I was looking for the OCC weight.. that should be a safe capacity for a small family..
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Old 11-11-2014, 11:57 PM   #27
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Just to be very clear the 22,000# is the GCWR (Gross Combination Weight Rating) which is the maximum you can weigh including the weight of any towed vehicle. The maximum GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) is still 14,500#. The GAWR also comes into play the Ford front axle is rated at 5,000# and the rear at 9,600# (Yes I know that is over the GVWR but that is common). Funny thing Ford puts a Dana 70HD under the E-450 chassis which is technically rated at 11,500 or 10,500 but due to the E rated tires on motorhomes that limits the maximum to 9,600#. Anyway, I hope this helps. Obviously Ford could have changed this information since I last checked.
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Ok MIchael... Now you really have me confused... I guess the bottom line for me is what is the amount of cargo and passengers can be added once you fill the gas tank (even if the water tank is empty) propane ... just the bodies and stuff you carry with you amount.. I know that the tow capacity is 5,000 lbs.. I have not had my coffee this morning and I"m running a bit slow!

So weather it is a 20,500lb chassis 2014 and below vs the 22,000 lb in 2015 the carry capacity does not change? The person at Jayco I asked didn't really know other than looking at the brochures and I have yet to receive a call back from someone she said knows... Go figure..
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Ok MIchael... Now you really have me confused... I guess the bottom line for me is what is the amount of cargo and passengers can be added once you fill the gas tank (even if the water tank is empty) propane ... just the bodies and stuff you carry with you amount.. I know that the tow capacity is 5,000 lbs.. I have not had my coffee this morning and I"m running a bit slow!

So weather it is a 20,500lb chassis 2014 and below vs the 22,000 lb in 2015 the carry capacity does not change? The person at Jayco I asked didn't really know other than looking at the brochures and I have yet to receive a call back from someone she said knows... Go figure..
I just looked on the Ford Commercial site for the E-450 cutaway. The maximum Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) which is the weight of the passengers, rig, food, propane, clothes and everything in it is still 14,500#. The only thing that changed was the tow rating. Oddly enough that changed a few years ago when it went from 19,500# to 22,000#.
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So, in that case the 22,000 really bought the user anything over the 19,500...Ok, that makes sense or does it.. Like you said, it all comes back to the 14,500 lb rating...
Now, the tow capaicity is still 5,000lbs? I wonder why the 22,000 comes in to play...I guess it doesn't matter
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