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Old 11-12-2014, 10:40 AM   #31
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So, in that case the 22,000 really bought the user anything over the 19,500...Ok, that makes sense or does it.. Like you said, it all comes back to the 14,500 lb rating...
Now, the tow capaicity is still 5,000lbs? I wonder why the 22,000 comes in to play...I guess it doesn't matter
Ford upped the tow rating from 5000# to 7,500#. This means you can legally tow up to 7,500# with 750# tongue weight as long as you do not exceed your GVWR or GAWR. So, in short you do in fact gain something from that increased towing capacity. Unfortunately to get that tow rating is a bit more complicated on an MH because you can't simply bolt on a 7,500# hitch due to the butt welded frame rail extensions. If your Jayco warranty has expired there are many shops that will do a "sub-frame" beef up to Ford specifications that will allow you to safely tow up to 7,500#. However Jayco will void your entire warranty if you remove their hitch and do this. Ford however has no problem with it provided that it is done to their specifications.
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Old 11-12-2014, 06:07 PM   #32
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Alright here is the scoop from the Jayco manufacturing floor..
1. 29mv. Loaded with full fuel and LP (no water, passengers or cargo) NCC is 1855
2. 31DS Loaded with Full Fuel and LP (no water, passengers or cargo) Ncc 1980
NCC "Net Carry Capacity"

According to Jayco..the Tow capacity they warranty is 5000 max. (so I assume they to not extend the chassis rails to the back. In this case, no the 22,000 lb does not matter

As I got the Jayco numbers from Jayco Manufacturing ... .I'm sticking with it!

So, I"ll recap.. I was real interested in the difference with the Forest River Sunseeker and the Forester in the same size has right about the same NCC.. maybe a little more depending on the model (1, 2 or 3 slides). When I called Forest River the story was they send the chassis to the "Coachman" facility (who builds up the frames) add length to the frame by stretching it (I wonder what kind of machine does that)... and they put it together with a heavier hitch...and they warranty it as 7500 lbs and they show 500lb tongue weight.

Honestly, I was not trying to stir anything up.. we just wondered how they did that and we noticed the 22,000 lb chassis where they were 19,500 in the past with a 5,000 lb tow weight. I'm over it now... I'm moving on...
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Old 11-12-2014, 06:09 PM   #33
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It is very wise to stick with what Jayco says because it isn't worth losing your warranty. If you need 7,500# towing purchase a rig from a different manufacturer.
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Old 11-12-2014, 07:10 PM   #34
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Not just the warranty.. Loose the insurance and be fined for being over weight.. No thanks.
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Old 11-12-2014, 07:19 PM   #35
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Technically if you are under the Jayco GCWR sticker you won't be fined for being overweight. The GCWR, GVWR and GAWR rules apply. All Jayco can do is void your warranty for installing an aftermarket hitch and sub-frame beef-up to FORD specifications allowing you to achieve the Jayco 22,000# GCWR sticker. The sticker on the hitch is only the hitch rating and isn't used by law enforcement or insurance companies unless you are exceeding the hitch rating. The only reason Jayco puts a 5K hitch on the back is because of the weak frame rail extensions.
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Old 11-13-2014, 12:45 AM   #36
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Lots of info to digest here, but it appears the 22,000 chassis would only come into play if you were going to tow over 5,000#. I can't imagine ever doing that, so will not worry about it. I think 5,000# is a LOT of weight to tow, and like I said earlier, looking to keep my vehicle in tow weight closer to 3,000#-3,500# if possible. I think a bigger issue is keeping these vehicles properly loaded, and compliant with GVW front vs rear. I cannot imagine a 14,500# GVW being loaded to the limit, and not being overweight in the rear.
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Old 12-25-2014, 04:14 PM   #37
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OP here. Finally got a chance to weigh the Greyhawk 31 FK. The only passengers were my wife and me and there was no toad.

The forward kitchen pantry, fridge and cabinets above the sofa were filled with food for a week. The storage beneath the sofa held the smaller Christmas gifts with a couple of large heavy ones on the bunk above the cab.

FW and propane tanks were full with the black and grey tanks empty. I had loaded the forward, right cargo compartment with heavy stuff (tools, a case of water bottles and a gallon of RV antifreeze) thinking to shift some weight off the rear axle. As you will see below, I did just that.

The rear cargo compartment had a 66 lb. compressor from home in case I need to re-winterize on the road. It also held assorted items such as water hoses and an electrical drop cord. Unlike a summer camping trip where we need only shorts and t-shirts, we packed heavy winter clothing and boots in the bedroom storage.

We stopped at a Pilot, filled the gas tank and pulled onto the CAT scales. With my wife and me in the front seats it weighed:
Front - 5,140 lbs.
Rear - 8,720 lbs.
Total - 13,860 lbs.

Comparing those weights with the door sticker:
GAWR Front - 5,000 lbs.
GAWR Rear - 9,600 lbs.
GVWR - 14,500 lbs.

So we were loaded heavier than for a normal camping trip yet had an extra 640 lbs. of capacity with a slightly overloaded front axle. Good to know that we were not seriously out of balance and a slight cargo adjustment was all it needed.
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Old 12-25-2014, 05:42 PM   #38
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AWSOME where you off to?
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Drove from Fuquay-Varina, NC to Nashville, TN to spend Christmas with daughter, son-in-law and our one year old grandson. Nice ride through the NC-TN mountains with very little traffic. We'll "camp" in their apartment complex parking lot for a few days. :-)
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Nice. Merry holidays to you all!
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