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Old 07-10-2016, 08:38 PM   #1
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Hot, hot, hot!!!

Man did we bake inside the 31FK this weekend. It was only high 90's outside but direct sun and the inside temp was 88* most of the time.

Ugh - c'mon Jayco.

I know why those Class A's have two AC units on them.


The other thing I've noticed is that the fresh water gets really hot too. Hot enough to shower without the water heater.

Our old coach had the fresh water tank more protected and it stayed cool.

This thing is an oven.

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Old 07-10-2016, 09:03 PM   #2
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I know the feeling well. My rig won't get any cooler than that either if I can't get it in the shade. A single air conditioner for a 32' rig just doesn't cut it. However, even my first MH at 25' wouldn't do much better. These ACs are just too small for these uninsulated rigs when they're in the sun.
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Old 07-11-2016, 06:27 AM   #3
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Try some window shades:

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They work pretty good. Also put some heat shields on the cab windows.

I have to figure out how to close off the cab completely and in a clean/nice way. That would help too.
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Old 07-11-2016, 06:34 AM   #4
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Don't complain to loudly, Jayco may start charging extra for solar hot water heating.
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:21 AM   #5
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[QUOTE=pconroy;427128]Man did we bake inside the 31FK this weekend. It was only high 90's outside but direct sun and the inside temp was 88* most of the time.

Ugh - c'mon Jayco.

its not Jayco there all the same and leaving your awning out helps a little.
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:26 AM   #6
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I had my 24MBH out in the direct sun with 95F daytime temps and I had to turn the temp up a little because it was too cold in the camper. Am I doing something wrong?
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Smaller unit, less air to cool. Also daytime temps matter a lot, but direct sunlight matters more.
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:09 AM   #8
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In ful sun today.. No issues!

Mine is not perfect... But it is doing a pretty good job so far. We are parked in full sun this weekend and having no trouble staying around 72 inside the rig.

I take full advantage of the lower night time temps. I like it cool so I am happy to bring it right down to 70 over night giving the rig a good head start on the day.

After that we make sure we control the sun exposure. We bought the external windshield cover they sell at CW. That was one of the best investments we made. The sun never touches the front glass which is the Number 1 source of heat in these beasts. We pay attention to the Southern exposure and keep the blinds down on that side and if it is a really hot location I throw one of those reflective car shades in behind the blinds.

The awning also helps. The one thing I don't have, yet, is slide toppers. They also make a significant difference as the roof of the slides is one of the worst insulated points in the entire unit.
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:14 AM   #9
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We were driving - so deploying the awning or shades might be a little tricky!


Our first Class C, was a 21QB, and the 13.5K AC unit had no problems keeping the rig chilly. Even in Vegas in the summer.



Based on this last weekend, I can't imagine taking the 31FK thru the desert southwest this August.

Ugh.
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Makes you wonder, I had a 1995 Fleetwood Tioga 31' class C. Never had a issue keeping cool with one 13.5 BTU coleman. It had the rubber roof and, white carpeting stuff on the ceiling. But what about the freon changes over the years ?...maybe that's part of the difference?
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The outside wrap-around cover for the cab windows makes a huge difference. Maybe as much as 50 degrees in the glass temp. That makes the inside cab an oven. Also, the reflective covers for windows helps also. Helps even more if they are on the outside, although that often entails placing velcro or something on the outside of the rig. Awnings help tremendously. Anything to keep that glass and surface temp cooler.
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We sometimes leave the 2 slides closed in the brutal western heat, Cheyenne, Wyoming is where we are right now. Cooling less area keeps it cooler inside. However, it's just the 2 of us and the pugs so we still have plenty of room.

We have the slides closed now as we have 40+ mph winds; the entrance door is an adventure to open.
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Another method I use to help keep some of the cab heat out of the coach is a "drape" hanging down from the cabover bunk isolating the cab. Despite having reflective window covers up front a large amount of heat still is created when the sun shines. The drape also works to help keep things warmer in the coach when winter camping.

On our current Seneca we used what was the original rear bedspread. Matches other items in the decor, and we use a RV Superbag on our bed and so the Jayco bedspread was rendered obsolete. But dear wife tailored it to fit (including ladder cutouts) and its original quilted construction does help insulate. Sticking one's head into the cab during the day confirms it!

I think it also makes the coach look less truck-like and more home-like. But that's just my opinion!
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Makes you wonder, I had a 1995 Fleetwood Tioga 31' class C. Never had a issue keeping cool with one 13.5 BTU coleman. It had the rubber roof and, white carpeting stuff on the ceiling. But what about the freon changes over the years ?...maybe that's part of the difference?
I can tell you this much I am not positive about the R12 to R134a automotive freon differences, but I do know the "new R410" is less efficient than R22. That is right out of the textbook, (HVACR fundamentals by Carter Stanfield), R410 also removes less humidity from the air than R22. The modern manufacturers are using larger coils with R410 to try and compensate on home units. If MVR is using the same size coils with the different refrigerants there will be less cooling with the R410 units.

I had to replace my home heat pump my old carrier R22 unit gave up the ghost, my new unit has a higher SEER rating and does not cool as efficient as my old R22 unit.
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We agree with leaving the drape down on hot days. Our new 31xl was miserably hot. The fan would kick on but the cool air was minimal. When we finally heard enough about "this unit should have two air conditioners" or "it works the way it is supposed to"...we finally took it to Thermo King. Jayco approved the service and they replaced the probe, cleaned the vent of cottonwood and we were on our way. They also said, "Wow, that's a BIG air conditioning unit for this size rig." Our advice is keep looking for someone who knows what they are doing. We had it in three times before someone actually fixed it. It now could freeze us out even in the warmest weather.
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Here are 2 things that I have done to cool my Melbourne:
1) If traveling and the MH has been sitting in the hot sun for hours or days, I will crank on the generator and roof air conditioner. The interior cools down nicely with the engine AC running as well.
2) If in direct sun at a campsite and the "house" AC cannot do the job, I bring in all three of my slideouts. The reduced cubic footage makes a big difference. I have done this as well in really cold temps.
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My experience is this:


Any RV over 30 feet must have two AC's
All slides must have roll out covers (virtually no insulation on top of slides)
Cool the RV in the morning to 68 before the sun hits the walls and roof
Use vent covers over the lids and foam on the inside vents
Keep shades drawn and insulated aluminum behind the shades
Keep AC filters clean
Park in the shade if possible
Don't argue politics, it raises your body temperature
Use your awning when the winds are light
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This thing is an oven.

If your AC is ducted, make sure all ducts are connected. Pull the inside cover on the AC and look in there to make sure. Could be that you"re losing some AC inside the roof. Put your hand up against all ceiling vents to make sure they're working. Our 35" Eagle stays cool with one 15k AC. If your AC isn't ducted, ignore this post.
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Old 08-01-2016, 07:02 AM   #19
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For the cab we use the heat shield brand window shades. They make a huge difference.
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1. Cut custom sun shades for your cab windows from that foil/bubble sheeting you can buy at Lowes/Home Depot in rolls. Do the same for every window in the coach.

2. Find the best winshield solar shade you can fit to cover the entire windshield area.

3. Cover the doghouse area with a thick blanket. This works in summer and winter to keep the heat/cold from the E450 cab up front.

4. During the day close the curtains to the top bunk over the cab. If no one is up there, dont waste the A/C on that space.

5. circulate air with fans on the floor. We use two during the summer, one up front, one in the back. Move the air around.

6. park in shade wherever possible. We position coach with fridge side away from sun in the evening.

I TOTALLY agree that Jayco should consider standard double a/c set ups for larger class c.
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