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Old 08-29-2015, 11:49 AM   #11
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:19 PM   #12
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Robbyr, excellent commentary and information regarding the Senecas. I own a 2014 TS and I think you are right on. Sam
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:24 PM   #13
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WaltW, I am just about ready to dump the tankless water heater as well. Is it a major change and also expensive? Thanks, Sam (2014 Seneca TS)
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:25 PM   #14
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What did you do about painting the new outside access door?
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Old 09-01-2015, 09:20 PM   #15
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Sam/Robbbyr, my Seneca is at the dealer now and they are doing the swap. If they can do it, it can't be too difficult. The door will be painted. I looked at the door as I asked them that very same question and the section is solid color so, again, easy. They use a out of house painter that has done work for me before.

They told me it would be a couple of weeks as they didn't order anything until after they talked to Jayco to get approval.
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Old 09-02-2015, 12:42 PM   #16
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I've come across a used (about 6K miles) 2016 Dynamax Force FRC37 TS. It seems to be very similar to Seneca TS. Any thoughts to share on that? It does still have a hot water heater with a tank.
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Old 09-02-2015, 05:33 PM   #17
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harwilli, I looked at the Force when I was shopping. There were a few things that I didn't liked that pushed me towards the Seneca…(1) the booth was tighter for sitting (but the table was larger). WIth less lounging space than we were used to, I wanted to be able to sprawl there. (2) The doer turned my wife off. Don't like the 2-tone upholstery treatment that we saw. (3) We wanted one less slide so we could use the CG pad as patio. (4) I wanted a lighter exterior color…too much black on the Force for Texas heat.

On the plus side Dynamax made some better design choices, the 10 gal HW heater being one of them. The cab I saw had the headliner with provision for CB, air ride seats which Jayco is now adding, air brakes.

Motor Home Specialists in TX sells them at a discounted price…be sure to check their web site to see if you're getting a good deal.

Let us know how it goes.
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Old 09-02-2015, 07:21 PM   #18
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Ford has taken the production away for the 650/750 from Navistar and dumped the Cummins engine entirely. Jayco will build on on F650 sooner than later. Ford is building the chassis in Ohio plant and putting the Power Stroke Diesel V-8 engine in it. 440 HP and 860 on torque. I have one in an F 450 2015 with 51 K on it and it rocks!

The Cummins ISL is a nice engine but lacks HP and torque. A lot of folks got rid of the Seneca's due to pulling horse trailers and heavy boats. The Freightliner M2 chassis was built for box trucks in city delivery. It was never intended to be an RV chassis but market pressure required a chassis once GM left the market. a Ford chassis is coming.
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Old 09-02-2015, 11:59 PM   #19
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Loboclone, don't know how much redesign/retooling Jayco would have to do to change chassis but when they moved to the Freightliner chassis they lost a production year. That's a pretty big hit. As a new Seneca buyer I did get a survey from Jayco asking if the towing capacity was adequate so they must be thinking about increasing towing capacity although there are a number of ways to provide that besides switching to a Ford chassis.

I did a quick check on what some of the competitors are doing on FL M2 chassis:
Dynamax DX3: Freighliner M2, Cummins ISL 350 HP/ 1000 lb ft with a towing capacity of 21,000 lbs. Is 20,000 lbs enough? It would seem that it would be less costly for Jayco to go this way than retool for Ford.

If more power is needed:
Renegade IKON on FL Cascadia chassis, Cummins ISX 600 HP/1850 lb ft
Renegade IKON on Volvo 600 HP/2050 lb ft
Renegade XL on FL Cascadia , Cummins ISX 525 HP/ 1850 lb ft
Renegade XL on FL Lonestar, Cummin ISX 600 HP/1850 lb ft
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Thanks, again, Walt.

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