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Old 06-14-2016, 06:40 PM   #1
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Looking at 2016 Seneca HJ

We had a jayco 2015 RETS tounge pull eagle premier that we towed to Alaska, lots other places and back last summer. We had no issues or none that I can remember so if any they were minor. Since then we've had a 2015 fiver raptor toy hauler, not bad...but roof had to be replaced under warranty and minor normal RV stuff. Wife couldn't reach cabinets so we traded for a new Forest River Cardinal 3030 fiver. Worst piece of crapolla ever. It's in shop now for roof and other under warranty. We just returned from Yellowstone and others stops, about three weeks. I even had to rebuild bed in New Mexico nod was not strong enough to support mattress without sagging. Tons other stuff as well.
I'm thru with it. Totally. We unloaded it last night before we took it in for new roof.
We lucked out on these RV change outs with minor cost.
I'm looking at a new Seneca HJ MSRP $239,000 for $169,000.
Cummins 340 , 8 k gen set cummins etc.
I will Get out of the Cardinal with a little loss. It was $98,000 msrp new for $58,000. And will prolly only get $45,000 but I'm ready no matter what. Plus big discount from msrp helps.
Biggest question is what are your thoughts on the Seneca. I like to run 70-75 when speed limits ok.
Toad will be 2016 explorer.
Please tell me the good, bad and ugly. Will gen set under bed be a problem?
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:15 PM   #2
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We have a '15 Seneca FK and absolutely love it. Spent some time boondocking and haven't had any trouble sleeping with the Genny going - I just turn on the bedroom A/C (or fan if cooling isn't needed) and I don't hear the Onan.

Overall reliability has been good. The chassis is solid, the house quality is better than our previous Thor product, but we still had little fit and finish things to deal with. Most I've found I can fix myself.

Jayco warranty support has been excellent - they have no problem shipping parts directly to me if I want to fix myself (outside TV, door lock, etc).

We tow a Honda CR-V and can't tell it's back there most of the time. I tend to cruise right at the speed limit when we don't have to toad and we see around 10-12 mpg depending on the terrain.

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Old 06-14-2016, 09:03 PM   #3
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Can you cruise at 70-75?
Wind noise?
On demand water heater Ok?
Sat work ok?
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Can you cruise at 70-75?
Wind noise?
On demand water heater Ok?
Sat work ok?
Yep, I have had no trouble cruising at 70+. Although it will slow somewhat on uphill grades, I usually outpace the 18 wheelers with no trouble. It helps if you flip the Overdrive off when going up a hill, especially with the cruise on.

There is some wind noise (it is a truck after all), but it isn't too bad. The M2's are notorious for a whistling sound coming from the side mirrors, but a couple of strategically placed pieces of electrical tape solves that. The cabin is considerably quieter (cooler, and more spacious) than our previous Ford E-450-based coach which had half of the motor inside the cabin.

I have a complicated love/hate relationship with the tankless water heater. Now that I know how to "dial it in", it works great when we've got hookups. It's not the ideal choice if you do a lot of off-the-grid camping, though, as you will waste more than a little water waiting for the initial heat-up. I don't mind a cool shower, but the DW isn't happy without unlimited hot water. I've heard that Jayco will swap the tankless out for a traditional 10-gal gas/elec if you make a big deal about it.

We have a Dish Tailgater from the previous camper that we use with the Seneca. Most of the places we camp have a lot of trees around, so the roof-mounted antenna ends up being pretty useless. I can move the tailgater antenna to an open area and usually get at least 2 of the 3 satellites.
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If your wife had trouble reaching the cabinets in your old rig, then check the Senecas carefully as for 2016 and later Jayco removed the lower galley cabinet where we keep our dishes. Also take a coat hanger to check out the closets. The hangers have to be angled for doors to close...lose a fair amount of space. HJ is the best floorplan in that the mattress thickness is not limited to 6 inches. Worse mattress ever which we replaced with a Sleep Number so it could be deflated to fit when slide is closed.
We replaced the on-demand water heater with a 6 gal gas/electric. Way better.
Power to weigh ratio is lots better than my former DP which had the same engine and trans.
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If your wife had trouble reaching the cabinets in your old rig, then check the Senecas carefully as for 2016 and later Jayco removed the lower galley cabinet where we keep our dishes. Also take a coat hanger to check out the closets. The hangers have to be angled for doors to close...lose a fair amount of space. HJ is the best floorplan in that the mattress thickness is not limited to 6 inches. Worse mattress ever which we replaced with a Sleep Number so it could be deflated to fit when slide is closed.
We replaced the on-demand water heater with a 6 gal gas/electric. Way better.
Power to weigh ratio is lots better than my former DP which had the same engine and trans.
The toy hauler was way to high, she's used to keeping small step handy.
I need look at bed as we use a temperpedic type. That could be a deal breaker.
Hot water heater seems a issue but I can replace that.
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On the HJ the mattress is easy to replace as none of it slides under anything. All other models are limited to 6 inch height.
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Will the replacement water heater fit and is wiring there.
I can get this? In black or white or paint myself. Will it work.
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we have a '15 HJ and really like the floor plan.
good mechanicals with a few fit n finish issues.
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Ustabslim, have Jayco replace the water heater. They paid for mine and some others. One of the owners did a 10 gal unit install on his own. Get what you want resolved by the dealer and Jayco before you buy.
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