Questions for M2 Seneca owners

[RyRoRyan]

I originally posted this on ivr2 but then found this forum, which I think will be better answered here....


I am looking at a 2016 Seneca 37FS. I plan on going to take a look at it on Saturday, but trying to do all my research up front so I am comfortable and confident with filtering the real from the BS that the sales guys are going to lay on me. Most of my questions have to do with the 2016 model so hopefully there are a few owners here who may know the answers to my questions. However some of the questions might be able to be answered by anyone with an M2 chassis. Ok here we go....thanks before hand for reading and replying...

Do these units have an air hookup for things like tire inflators, air tools, etc?

Does it have an air horn or just the plan car horns...can you add one if not?

Built in trailer brake? If not, is it difficult to add one?

Does the instant on hot water in the 2016 units suck as much as I have been hearing about or is that just on older units with that option (if that exists)?

I see a CB antenna on the drivers side in pictures, but dont see anything about it in literature...does it have a CB radio built in or just an antenna?

What all does the inverter power? Specifically, if I am dry camping, during quiet hours, can I still use the microwave or induction cooktop?

I hear 120v outlets on these units are limited in quantity and location. How many are in the bedroom? Are there any near the dinette?

With the main TV basically at the head (or foot) of the upper queen bed, how do you deal with it not being destroyed by kids feet while sleeping?

How cold have you been and still be able to run the heat pumps?

Is the 6.7 really a big enough engine for this thing? Can it really tow 10k lbs and still run well? (My towable will be a 24' flat bed hauling a jeep and an atv...prob around 7500-8k total).

I am reading that we only have exhaust brake and not a real engine brake. Can the exhaust brake do a good job of holding this rig going down a mountain or am I going to risk burning up brakes riding them? (For those that might know the area...think highway 550 from Silverton CO to Durango CO.)

It has a built in Sani-Con turbo macerator. I have never had or used one before. Are they really that handy to have or is it just one more thing to break?

Do I have to fill both fuel tank independently or are they linked so I can fill from one and it will flow over to the other?

Pure opinion question...how would you rate the quality of these units? i.e. once you got the initial bugs worked out, how has the unit been since then.

Next loaded question...is there anything I should keep an eye out for...wether if something breaks easily or often or just wasnt designed right and I should "modify/reengineer" right after I buy it?

Last question...do you love or regret your purchase?


WOW...I did not realized I had so many questions until I started typing and another one kept creeping up. I am hoping you guys can help me out so I can make an informed and wise purchase.

Thanks so much
Ryan

[SuddenRush]

Hi Ryan, welcome to the Forum!!

Some background on myself. I am relatively new to owning a RV, so I have limited knowledge, so I will leave some of your questions to the "experts" around here. I use the term experts in all seriousness. The members of this forum are exceptionally well informed and very helpful.

I bought my 2015 Seneca FS in March. I use it primarily for towing my drag car. There are several differences between the 2015 and 2016, I am not completely familiar with the 2016 features, but many around here are.

To the questions I feel qualified to answer:
Built in trailer brake? If not, is it difficult to add one?
No trailer brake built in. Not hard to add one at all. There are several threads around here in JOF to answer any questions, including wire colors and pictures. I added one in less then 2hrs, and it works very well.

Does the instant on hot water in the 2016 units suck as much as I have been hearing about or is that just on older units with that option (if that exists)?
I don't have any trouble with my instant hot water. You will get differing opinions on this, so be open minded. I live and play close to sea level, and apparently the system may not so be great at altitude. If you decide to go away from the instant heater, there again, are several threads on who did what and why.

Is the 6.7 really a big enough engine for this thing? Can it really tow 10k lbs and still run well? (My towable will be a 24' flat bed hauling a jeep and an atv...prob around 7500-8k total).
My trailer is roughly 14,500 lbs (I know I am far exceeding the towing capacity) Flat towing, the 6.7 has absolutely no issue. Gets up to speed well and maintains 65mph with what feels like minimal effort. With overdrive off (there is a switch on the dash to turn it off and on) it handles even fairly steep hills well if you start at speed. Problem I have encountered is there are a lot hilly roads (not mountains by any means) with stop lights at the bottoms. From a standing start, I can't get over 35mph until I get over the top. Once my Cummins and Allison is out of warranty, I am going to get a Cummins remap of the engine for more HP and Torque. Overall, I am very impressed with the power and feel of the Seneca when towing my very heavy trailer.

I am reading that we only have exhaust brake and not a real engine brake. Can the exhaust brake do a good job of holding this rig going down a mountain or am I going to risk burning up brakes riding them? (For those that might know the area...think highway 550 from Silverton CO to Durango CO.)
I have very limited experience towing the mountains. But I will say, the exhaust brake is very effective. I can slow my overweight rig to 20mph on the exhaust brake alone, and it's awesome. Many people around here tow in the mountains, I am sure someone will have some better info.

Do I have to fill both fuel tank independently or are they linked so I can fill from one and it will flow over to the other?
Independent fill. This is my biggest gripe with the Seneca (as it is with a lot of people). The fuel gauge in the Seneca is awful. The first time I drove it, I filled up with a 1/4 tank left showing on the gauge. With 74 total gallon capacity, I expected to put ~50 gallons in. I was able to get only 28 gallons in, and that was filling it to the tippy top. Again, there are plenty of threads about this. But yes you have to independently fill. And one of the mitigation techniques of the poor gauging is to fill the passenger tank first (which actually seems to help). Since I do mostly dry camping (at the track) I can't just use the mileage to know when to refill, so I have to trust the gauge. But my rule of thumb is, once the light comes on, I need to get fuel in 50 miles. Even then, I can only squeeze in 50-55 gallons.

Pure opinion question...how would you rate the quality of these units? i.e. once you got the initial bugs worked out, how has the unit been since then.
I really love my Seneca. We are very happy with it. It has some quirks, like window switches dying unexpectedly. But overall, I am very happy and don't regret the decision to purchase at all.

Things I am grateful for with my Seneca:
1. This forum. I can learn anything I need to from this forum. The members are awesome and always willing to help and offer ideas and advice.
2. Jayco customer service/warranty. Had to make 2 calls to Jayco for relatively small things. One of my tail lights stopped lighting. One phone call and I had a new assembly at my door 2 days later. I wanted to do the swap myself (it's easy) but they offered have a dealer do it. Second call was for my slide that was slightly misaligned. They told me to take it to any dealer, and they will take care of the bill. Have yet to take it in to be serviced, but so far I am extremely impressed (which seems to be the popular opinion here on JOF)

Best of luck.

-Robbie

[Robbbyr]

Originally Posted by RyRoRyan

I originally posted this on ivr2 but then found this forum, which I think will be better answered here....

Do these units have an air hookup for things like tire inflators, air tools, etc?
Not stock, I added one myself.

Does it have an air horn or just the plan car horns...can you add one if not?
Electric horn, very weak IMHO. I added triple trumpet air horns and air fill station with regulator as mentioned above.

Built in trailer brake? If not, is it difficult to add one?
No, but Freightliner did provide a trailer brake wiring connection under the dash.

Does the instant on hot water in the 2016 units suck as much as I have been hearing about or is that just on older units with that option (if that exists)?
I have a 2014 with the first generation Girard HWH and it was terrible. I did my own swap out and installed a 10-gallon Atwood XT heater. That has worked flawlessly.


I see a CB antenna on the drivers side in pictures, but dont see anything about it in literature...does it have a CB radio built in or just an antenna?
The antenna is a combination AM/FM/CB antenna, there is a module behind the heater controls where one can plug in a CB coax. Some who have installed CB's have stated it is not an ideal setup.

What all does the inverter power? Specifically, if I am dry camping, during quiet hours, can I still use the microwave or induction cooktop?
My inverter powers the convection microwave and the cabover and rear bedroom TV's only. I have a propane cooktop so I cannot comment on the electric cooktop.

I hear 120v outlets on these units are limited in quantity and location. How many are in the bedroom? Are there any near the dinette?
I have the TS floorplan, there is one 120-volt outlet in the bedroom on the rear nightstand. Near the dinette there is one on the wall near the refrigerator I use when I plug in my laptop sitting at the dinette. Mine has none in the slideout the dinette is located. Cannot say if Jayco added any since 2014.

With the main TV basically at the head (or foot) of the upper queen bed, how do you deal with it not being destroyed by kids feet while sleeping?
I have two very active grandsons (6 and 8) who travel with us frequently and we have never had any TV-related issues. And they both sleep in the cabover when they are with us. I even upsized that TV (to 40") and it has never had any damage-related issues.

How cold have you been and still be able to run the heat pumps?
Around 40-42 degrees mine cuts out and propane heat is the only option.

Is the 6.7 really a big enough engine for this thing? Can it really tow 10k lbs and still run well? (My towable will be a 24' flat bed hauling a jeep and an atv...prob around 7500-8k total).
The recommended towing limits are predicated on how much you load up the coach. If you are near full gross on the coach you only have 5K left in the GCWR (28,000 GVWR/33,000 GCWR). That said, I carry a lot of stuff and my coach (with full fuel, propane, and water) was only around 25,500 on the scales.

I am reading that we only have exhaust brake and not a real engine brake. Can the exhaust brake do a good job of holding this rig going down a mountain or am I going to risk burning up brakes riding them? (For those that might know the area...think highway 550 from Silverton CO to Durango CO.)
I was in Colorado earlier this year and I also think the variable-vane turbocharger exhaust brake works fairly well. Not as braking-powerful as the fire trucks I used to drive equipped with a Detroit 60-series engine with a three-stage Jacobs engine brake, but I have never been dissatisfied or had any braking issues. And the 2014 models have hydraulic brakes, not the full air brakes like the newer Senecas.

It has a built in Sani-Con turbo macerator. I have never had or used one before. Are they really that handy to have or is it just one more thing to break?
I have the traditional 3" hose sewer, but based on feedback from other owners I am considering adding a macerator since when I get home it would be nice to dump at home where I would have to pump it uphill. Now I have to pay to dump at a local camground unless I have dumped and flushed at my last stop, hard to do traveling with young kids (and old people!).

Do I have to fill both fuel tank independently or are they linked so I can fill from one and it will flow over to the other?
Yes, you must fill both sides. There is some transfer as you fill, but not enough to matter. But I now appreciate going to the truck diesel lanes with pumps on both sided since I flat tow, it was very difficult navigating my former gas Class C around some station's gasoline pump islands.

Pure opinion question...how would you rate the quality of these units? i.e. once you got the initial bugs worked out, how has the unit been since then.
Quality is very subjective, but I can tell you it is far better than my last new unit which was a 2006 Chateau (Thor). I have had some issues, many of which I have skipped the dealer and just taken care of myself. And I have made many modifications to mine to make it "my own".

Next loaded question...is there anything I should keep an eye out for...whether if something breaks easily or often or just wasn't designed right and I should "modify/reengineer" right after I buy it?
Search this forum for posts from me, you can see many of the upgrades I have made. I will even attach my most current list for you to review. Any questions, please ask.

Last question...do you love or regret your purchase?
My wife and I LOVE our unit!


WOW...I did not realized I had so many questions until I started typing and another one kept creeping up. I am hoping you guys can help me out so I can make an informed and wise purchase.

Thanks so much
Ryan

I have attached my mods list, some of them I have documented with photos in other posts. Search on my user name Robbbyr (yes, three B's!)

[AaronM]

Mine is a '14 so I can not answer most of the other questions but:

I am reading that we only have exhaust brake and not a real engine brake. Can the exhaust brake do a good job of holding this rig going down a mountain or am I going to risk burning up brakes riding them? (For those that might know the area...think highway 550 from Silverton CO to Durango CO.)

We took a trip all through Colorado this summer. We chickened out and bypassed that section of 550 but the engine brake was more than enough for our Seneca towing a highly modified (heavy) Jeep Wrangler 4 door (without toad brakes).



Is the 6.7 really a big enough engine for this thing? Can it really tow 10k lbs and still run well? (My towable will be a 24' flat bed hauling a jeep and an atv...prob around 7500-8k total).

I could always use more HP but it has done everything I have needed.



Last question...do you love or regret your purchase?

Love it even though we have not got to use much this year.

[RyRoRyan]

Thanks guys for all the answers. It moves me more toward the idea that this may be the coach for us. I am glad that there are people out there who are comfortable with modifying their coach and know the in's and out's of it well due to this. I will keep yall updated and let you know what happens on Saturday.

[Robbbyr]

Good luck!

[BrentJ]

I can verify the heat pump does lose effectiveness around 40F as noted. Nice to use electric and save propane though when it does work. We've been as low as 23F this trip in CO and no freeze up issues yet. Put a couple cube heaters in critical compartments and with furnace on have had no issues.

Exhaust brake works great in the mountains. Towing jeep and due to flaky brake assist in the jeep I've not had TOAD brakes but honestly don't notice not having them.

[WaltW]

Agree with what Rob said but feel need to comment.

The horn sucks. Air horn would be nice but a better electric horn might suffice.

The on-demand HW heater was the pits. Mine was adjusted for sea level where I live and at 7000 ft it did not heat. When it did work DW couldn't get it adjusted to suit her. Go for the 10 gal.

Power to weight ratio is better on Seneca than heavier DP's with same engine. Noticeable difference to me. Did great in Rockies towing circa 5000 lbs.

The dual side tank fill is a minor PITA when off beaten track and truck lanes nonexistent. Punt and fill from one side if you have to.

The only build quality issue was cab to body attachment. On rough roads the right side banged and showed a gap. Not able to have hangers lie perpendicular to rod because closet wasn't deep enough was an issue for me on 30 day+ trips when we maxed out space. Bedroom with king mattress cramps dressing space and Jayco would not change to queen bed. I think it was Rob that rebuilt his bed. Other issues like mattress quality, TV that died I don't consider to be build issues.

I'm in between love and regret. I would certainly look hard at Dynamax and Renegade if I were to purchase again. I am happier with the super C than my DP.

Oh, I find there to be enough electrical outlets but the kitchen outlet placement is not ideal. Coffee maker and toaster with short cords are not happy there. I suggest to Jayco that instead of the whole drawer assembly sliding out just have a work surface slide out. That would enlarge the drawers there and allow for different placement of outlets.

[Robbbyr]

Originally Posted by WaltW

Bedroom with king mattress cramps dressing space and Jayco would not change to queen bed. I think it was Rob that rebuilt his bed.

Yes, I shrunk the king to a standard queen. And it is not the shorter "RV Queen" installed in many other motorhomes. We love the room my work reclaimed. Bought an 8" pocketed innerspring mattress for it and last night was the first time we slept on it. I can tell you today was the first time I did not wake up with a backache!

I also engineered a way to install bed lift struts even though the bed slides across the platform when the slide moves. Now I am very satisfied with whole "bed experience"!

[RyRoRyan]

Hey all...one more question...can anyone give me a ballpark of what this thing costs to insure? Am I looking somewhere in the $100 or less range per month or like several hundred dollars a month? I only have insured by 5th for things like wind and hail etc, it is covered normally by my trucks coverage as the towed vehicle. Since this wont be, I am just trying to get an idea of total cost of ownership.

[AaronM]

can anyone give me a ballpark of what this thing costs to insure?

You can go to progressive.com and play around with different deductibles and options but ours is right around $75/mo.

[Robbbyr]

Originally Posted by RyRoRyan

Hey all...one more question...can anyone give me a ballpark of what this thing costs to insure? Am I looking somewhere in the $100 or less range per month or like several hundred dollars a month? I only have insured by 5th for things like wind and hail etc, it is covered normally by my trucks coverage as the towed vehicle. Since this wont be, I am just trying to get an idea of total cost of ownership.

I have full coverage with $500 collision deductible and it is $1,100 a year. Shopped Good Sam, Progressive, and some others. I have State Farm for everthing else and they matched Progressive which was otherwise lowest.

[SloPoke]

Originally Posted by WaltW

Oh, I find there to be enough electrical outlets but the kitchen outlet placement is not ideal. Coffee maker and toaster with short cords are not happy there. I suggest to Jayco that instead of the whole drawer assembly sliding out just have a work surface slide out. That would enlarge the drawers there and allow for different placement of outlets.

I found an inexpensive and simple solution... I ran a short extension cord for the coffee maker down beside the Microwave. The female end of the extension cord is at the back corner of the microwave and the Coffee Maker plugs in without any issues. I plugged the extension cord into the outlet that powers the Microwave (that is on the Inverter circuit that can run in the early AM without having to start the Generator and wake everyone up)

[RyRoRyan]

Ok all here is an update...

Went to go look at the rig today. Sales guy basically gave me the keys and left me alone for an hour or so with it. I did not take it out driving since I did all this almost at closing time...not really my fault since the website says they closed at 6 but when I got there they close at 5. I got there at 4 thinking I could do a drive and close inspection of the unit...only got to do one.

I have not talked numbers to the guy yet but am interested in it as long as they can clean up all the issues that I found. I know that no rig comes perfect from the factory, but there was quite a few bugs that I found (see below). I am guessing that many of you who have bought new had a pretty long repair checklist before you took delivery.

I love the fact that it has an Onan 8000 generator. Should be more than enough power for everything in that unit. Unfortunately it had less than 1/4 tank of fuel so I could not check and run that.

Outside - I love the paint on it...this one has the Topaz option. I cant believe how much storage that thing has on it...it is ridiculous. The outside TV and radio were missing, the sales guy thinks that the service guys are borrowing from peter to pay Paul to get another rig out quickly. The sales guy moved it before I got there and apparently the water heater or gas heater (whatever is under the fridge) panel fell off the coach and he cant find it right now. The freightliner parts of it look VERY well built. Love the easy access to the engine bay. The only other little bug on the outside was that the door to the battery compartment would not open the full 90 degrees and therefor the battery slide would not slide out. I am guessing that some of the accessories are stashed inside the store somewhere as the macerator hose was not connected and non existent. I think it comes with a 21 ft macerator hose if i recall correctly. I also noticed that the water filter was cracked and laying on the floor. I think that was broke by human force as the unit has not been cold enough to freeze yet and also there was antifreeze (aka pink stuff) in the lines system.

Inside - I like the fact the drivers chairs on on air but I wish they would turn around and face the living area. I could not tell if there is a way to close up the cab area from the living area or close the windshield. It appears, unless again it is stored in the accessories box in the store, that it may not come with one. Did you guys have to buy something to prevent people from looking in from the front windows or does it come with something to block that area out? The lights in the unit in general were not working correctly as some of them would come on and some would not. Some lights were dimmer than others on the ceiling. You could tell something was not working right...and it was not just on one switch. Like two or three different areas not working correctly. Couch is comfy and I like that the dinette drops easily. The MCD shades are a nice touch. I now see the issue of there not being enough 120v plugs in the unit, and really see the issue with the kitchen one being so high up at the cabinets, but REALLY like SloPokes idea of using an extension cord or maybe a power strip hooked up to the microwave outlet. The bathroom is nice, but it appears someone decided to steal the shower door handles/knobs. I like the idea of a king in the master, but I think that a queen would be better for that space with the addition of a nightstand on the one side that does not have one. I did notice a wire loom hanging out of the bottom of the master closet slide but that can be easily just tucked back up and secured. I am going to look at putting gas shocks/springs on the bed lift, as that not being there is a complete oversight to me. I also noticed that the living room slide may not have been lined up well as you can see places on the floor where the slide has rubbed on the vinyl floor when going in and out.

Minus the stuff on the punch list I REALLY like the coach and love that it can sleep my entire family of 9. All that has to be done now is make sure my DW is still on board with this and then see if we can come up with a reasonable total price for everything after I actually do a test drive. Ahh the stress of buying a new RV. My only sad part of this is that I am going to sell/trade in my truck with this too since wont really need or afford to have my truck and this at the same time. Fun times.

Ryan

[SloPoke]

We bought our rig as second owners... it is a 2015 and was still covered by the Original owners warranty plan. since the dealership had not "sold the unit" to the second owner, the warranty still applies. The dealership went thru and fixed everything on our coach to PDI new. That oddly included a new transfer switch, two new AC/Heat Pumps, lights, trim and other odds/ends. of course it took them a while to get it all done, but they did complete all of those issues. We love our 36FK!

[Robbbyr]

Originally Posted by RyRoRyan

I love the fact that it has an Onan 8000 generator. Should be more than enough power for everything in that unit.
I added a tank-style water heater with electric element and a combo washer/dryer, had all that going as well as the two air conditioners all on the generator. No issues whatsoever.

The outside TV and radio were missing, the sales guy thinks that the service guys are borrowing from peter to pay Paul to get another rig out quickly.
When I was shopping for my unit all of the lot units were missing their TV's inside and out. Some dealerships remove them as a matter of course to discourage theft.

I could not tell if there is a way to close up the cab area from the living area or close the windshield. It appears, unless again it is stored in the accessories box in the store, that it may not come with one. Did you guys have to buy something to prevent people from looking in from the front windows or does it come with something to block that area out?
It should come with a curtain that does close off the windshield. It attaches with clips behind the headrests on the rear cab wall and then there are velco tabs above driver and passenger windows. You hook it around the sunvisors then. But many people also buy aftermarket sunshades to help keep the cab cooler in the sun. Here are links to the ones I got from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I also re-purposed the rear bed's bedspread as a "drape" between the cab and living area. Keeps the unit cooler, even with the sunshades a lot of heat builds up in the cab. Also keeps the cold out when we winter camp. We think it makes it look less like a "truck" and more like a home. Picture below.

The lights in the unit in general were not working correctly as some of them would come on and some would not. Some lights were dimmer than others on the ceiling. You could tell something was not working right...and it was not just on one switch. Like two or three different areas not working correctly.
Mine is a 2014 but all the ceiling lights are the same brightness. Never heard of that problem before.

I like the idea of a king in the master, but I think that a queen would be better for that space with the addition of a nightstand on the one side that does not have one.
I shrunk my bed to Queen modifying the platform and the base. Replaced the uncomfortable foam "Denver" mattress with an innerspring one. Just spent my first weekend on it and I love it!

I am going to look at putting gas shocks/springs on the bed lift, as that not being there is a complete oversight to me.
If I am correct, the FS model you are considering has a fixed bed platform, so adding lift-assist struts is possible. You may have to beef-up where the struts attach since they are not part of the original design. On other Seneca floorplans the bed slides over the base platform making traditional lift strut installation impossible.

I also noticed that the living room slide may not have been lined up well as you can see places on the floor where the slide has rubbed on the vinyl floor when going in and out.
That seems to be an issue many other owners have reported. Mine had to be adjusted and then 3 or four scraped tiles had to be replaced.

Drape picture:

[RyRoRyan]

Rob are you a full timer? You seem to know much more about them (and done many more mods/upgrades) than the average man.

So regarding the slides, I have one HUGE problem that I can see. On the brochures, it states that every Seneca in 2016 has tile and carpet, however from what I can see the 2016 FS's...at least first few ones that I have looked at online ALL have vinyl fake wood flooring instead of the tiles that can be replaced. I would REALLY hate to have to replace the entire floor, to fix those runs. I REALLY dont like the vinal floors because if a or something small does get stuck under the slide, it will crease the floor. On a tile floor, in some cases, it will destroy the small thing..dirt chunks, plastic beads or what not, but yes in some cases it will hurt the tile, but at least you get to replace just the one tile and you are back in business. With the vinyl, you are almost always going to hurt it and to fix it you have to cut out that section and then perfectly match the pattern and find a way to hide the seams where you cut it. I have a call in Jayco to figure out whats up there.

[Robbbyr]

Originally Posted by RyRoRyan

Rob are you a full timer? You seem to know much more about them (and done many more mods/upgrades) than the average man.

No, just a part-time traveler who retired from the fire department last year and still have a working wife! But I have always been a "tinkerer" and I love modding the RV. Did the same thing with my prior two Class C's.

I have seen newer units with the woodgrain flooring and they do look nice, but I am happy I have the individual tiles. I ordered some spares anticipating making a "trap" for the entry door stepwell, but just haven't done that job yet!

[AaronM]

My 2014 has the 'wood' floor but they are individual pieces. They got wet one time and you can see them bulging a little at each end in front of the fridge.

[anav8or]

Originally Posted by SloPoke

We bought our rig as second owners... it is a 2015 and was still covered by the Original owners warranty plan. since the dealership had not "sold the unit" to the second owner, the warranty still applies. The dealership went thru and fixed everything on our coach to PDI new. That oddly included a new transfer switch, two new AC/Heat Pumps, lights, trim and other odds/ends. of course it took them a while to get it all done, but they did complete all of those issues. We love our 36FK!

We did exactly the same thing on a 2015 36FK - original couple bought it, took one trip, and brought it back in favor of a Class A. They didn't own it long enough to activate the warranty, so Jayco considered us the original owner - at least for a time. They were great about shipping replacement parts when things broke (outside TV, coach door keypad, cabinet hinges, etc) and I could fix/replace myself. We saved a sizeable punch list after the first year and that's when Jayco discovered we weren't the original owners and wouldn't honor the warranty. I was happy to get a year of warranty coverage but wish I had some of the more expensive stuff done earlier.

Moral of the story - be aware that Jayco could change their mind on the warranty thing if they discover you aren't the original owner.