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Old 05-05-2016, 04:01 PM   #21
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Changed out my water heater to a Suburban SW6DE. Not sure what the L stands for.
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Old 05-05-2016, 04:27 PM   #22
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The l model has a 12 volt relay so you can turn the electric on and off from inside the Rv is what I was told
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Old 05-05-2016, 04:44 PM   #23
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Makes sense. If the 115VAC is close to where you're going to install the water heater it would save wiring the 115VAC into the rig and back. This would have saved a bit of wiring in my install also. Also, the relay method would allow you to run only one set of low voltage small gauge wiring vs. running Romex into the rig and back.
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Old 05-05-2016, 05:11 PM   #24
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Our dealer installed a Suburban 6-gallon SW46DE. They did have to add a breaker to the breaker box at the foot of the bed and then ran a 110 circuit from it to the water heater compartment. I'm okay with the electric control being on the water heater itself. When on shore power it will stay on continuously anyway.

On our only outing so far with it, an eight night trip, it was great having uninterrupted hot water when we wanted it!
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:09 AM   #25
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We have the Girard tankless water heater and have learned to live with it, without major incident. I have continuously disliked the waste of water trying to get hot water to the bathroom and other locations. Because on our model of the Seneca, the hot water heater is in the very back corner of the driver side and distance to the bathroom faucets and the shower and the kitchen faucets is a real reason that it takes so long to get hot water forward. It has been my thought, that replacing with a traditional RV water heater placed in the location of the Girard, would not change this distance.

Yesterday, I installed a 2.5 gallon electric hot water heater in the utility compartment, right under the wardrobe and behind the bathroom. Last night was the first test of showers and water usage. So far, so good. I've been pursuing this project for awhile and the concern was where to break in to the hot water line. I felt I had found the location in the outside faucet and up until a couple of days ago, that was what I was going to do. Change came when I was exploring where to get 110 volt power and decided to use the power outlet behind the wardrobe that was intentioned to be for the washer and dryer we chose not to install.

My original thought was to break in to the hot water line and add the electrically heated hot water in to the line coming from the Girard heater. Upon exploration of the electrical outlet, there was the hot and cold water faucets for the washer. Decided to use them. Drilled holes down to utility closet below and this has worked well. Shower now works much like a conventional shower with adjustment of both hot and cold water. As I installed this, I also installed pipe insulation on all hot water pipes I could reach.

As we "boondock" with limited water and limited electrical power about half the year. Water consumption is the biggest obstacle and the extra 2.5 gallons doesn't hurt. Limited electrical power is just using the generator or isolating the use of only one electrical appliance, including this new water heater, at a time.

Continuing to explore "the pursuit of happiness in this great Nation".
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Old 05-10-2016, 08:12 PM   #26
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We went to use our brand new 31FS this weekend. First trip. Pulled her out to check everything and that POS tank-less water heater never even came on. Read all the manuals and checked everything. NOTHING! To say I am #$%^&* off is an understatement.

Called Camping World and they cant get me in until June...

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We went to use our brand new 31FS this weekend. First trip. Pulled her out to check everything and that POS tank-less water heater never even came on. Read all the manuals and checked everything. NOTHING! To say I am #$%^&* off is an understatement.

Called Camping World and they cant get me in until June...

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Get Jayco to authorize the switch out to a "normal" water heater... they've been doing a LOT of them!
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:41 AM   #28
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We went to use our brand new 31FS this weekend. First trip. Pulled her out to check everything and that POS tank-less water heater never even came on. Read all the manuals and checked everything. NOTHING! To say I am #$%^&* off is an understatement.

Called Camping World and they cant get me in until June...

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Have you checked the reset button. It is a real tough little sucker to find. It should help. It is a skill to learn how to use this heater and as I posted earlier, we've upgraded ours. Don't let hot water ruin your trip. If you were tent camping you wouldn't have it either.
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Old 05-11-2016, 08:03 AM   #29
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If these are so finicky why did Jayco add them as an option for 2017 TT's?
It does say generation 3...maybe better?
I just placed an order for a 2017 Eagle and was excited to see that a tankless option was available. A short conversation with my dealer and he suggested I go with a standard tanked heater. I've known him for years and he just said that I would not be happy with one... I left it at that and we moved on to the next item on my build.


I've still been on the fence but the more I read about them I think he is most likely correct.
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Talking Tank-less...

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I just placed an order for a 2017 Eagle and was excited to see that a tankless option was available. A short conversation with my dealer and he suggested I go with a standard tanked heater. I've known him for years and he just said that I would not be happy with one... I left it at that and we moved on to the next item on my build.


I've still been on the fence but the more I read about them I think he is most likely correct.
To function properly, an "on-demand" water heater has to monitor water pressure, rate of flow, and the temperature of the in-flow water. A computer monitors those datum points (sampled several times a second), and adjusts the temperature coming from the unit accordingly.

The RV units just are not there yet... if all worked as advertised, we would be able to set the desired temperature one time, and then forget about it.

My dealer told me to make the system work safely, he would need to add a thermal accumulator tank of about 6 gallons. I said, "wait, that sounds like a water heater!" He laughed, and said "exactly".

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