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Old 12-13-2015, 12:47 PM   #11
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gtsum2, my 2 cents…

The power to weight ratio of the Seneca is much higher than my previous DP with same engine/trans. Better fuel mileage, lots of towing capacity. My weights are in Seneca so can't be specific now but consistent with other post.

In DP posted MPH on curves was absolute max or you would really feel lean…big time. Senenca is order of magnitude better.

Maint in diesel MH is much higher. Normal in my DP was circa $1K annually. M2 should be a little cheaper. Will find out soon as in for 6 month Cummins service. Normal service interval is 1 year as RVers don't travel that many miles.

Ride is slightly rougher than DP but 2016's with Bilsteins up front should help. Cab comfort vs class A is way better - AC actually cools, heater actual heats.

I selected the 36FK as we wanted the enclosed bath, linen closet, pantry and no galley slide. I can access everything with slides in except bedroom (sm wife can squeeze in) main TV and fireplace. We have camped with just the BR slide extended..there is lots of room in LR/galley area with slide in.

Jayco replaced the hw heater as it was ineffective at high altitudes (gas only).

In Senecas where the bed slides under the closet furniture, mattress height is limited to about 7" (clearance is 8"). As a result the mattress is only suitable for about one week. After that it's like a hammock and very uncomfortable. There is no easy replacement option because of the height limitation. Major irritant right now until I find a solution. SUggest floor plans where bed does not slide under closet…HJ for example.
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Old 12-13-2015, 01:26 PM   #12
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We traded up to a 2015 FK from an E-450-based gasser. Mileage has averaged 8.7 over ~7500 miles this year, with 10.4 being the highest. We tow a Honda CR-V and usually can't tell it's there. We travel a lot between our home in Columbus, OH and the Carolinas. The Seneca does well through the WV / VA mountains, although I have found the cruise reluctant to downshift - a quick stomp on the gas pedal resolves that. As others have mentioned, the engine brake is great on the downhills.

Ride is pretty good - it does have airbags in the rear and leaf springs in the front. The 2016 should indeed be better. The key is to get your actual weights and adjust tire pressure accordingly. Running at the 110 max will result in a pretty rough ride. I keep ours around 100 psi based on our weights and the ride is much better.

Accessibility while underway is good - DW usually sits in the back with our three labs while I drive. We have the entertainment center in the overhead bunk and that TV is hooked up to the inverter (can be used while underway with a slight modification to the selenoid attached to the back of the outlet ) for enroute entertainment.

Overall, we love the Seneca and it meets our needs quite well. I do have to agree with one of the previous posters about the mattress - it sucks, and the whole sliding under the closet thing limits the options. We'll be looking at a foam mattress replacement soon. Oh, and I happen to be a fan of the tankless water heater, although I can understand why some don't like it.

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Old 12-13-2015, 01:36 PM   #13
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gtsum2, my 2 cents…

The power to weight ratio of the Seneca is much higher than my previous DP with same engine/trans. Better fuel mileage, lots of towing capacity. My weights are in Seneca so can't be specific now but consistent with other post.

In DP posted MPH on curves was absolute max or you would really feel lean…big time. Senenca is order of magnitude better.

Maint in diesel MH is much higher. Normal in my DP was circa $1K annually. M2 should be a little cheaper. Will find out soon as in for 6 month Cummins service. Normal service interval is 1 year as RVers don't travel that many miles.

Ride is slightly rougher than DP but 2016's with Bilsteins up front should help. Cab comfort vs class A is way better - AC actually cools, heater actual heats.

I selected the 36FK as we wanted the enclosed bath, linen closet, pantry and no galley slide. I can access everything with slides in except bedroom (sm wife can squeeze in) main TV and fireplace. We have camped with just the BR slide extended..there is lots of room in LR/galley area with slide in.

Jayco replaced the hw heater as it was ineffective at high altitudes (gas only).

In Senecas where the bed slides under the closet furniture, mattress height is limited to about 7" (clearance is 8"). As a result the mattress is only suitable for about one week. After that it's like a hammock and very uncomfortable. There is no easy replacement option because of the height limitation. Major irritant right now until I find a solution. SUggest floor plans where bed does not slide under closet…HJ for example.
Thank you very much for the detailed info. I appreciate the info on the driving characteristics of the dp vs the seneca. I am certainly no speed demon when going camping, but one thing I do not like at all on some gas class a's is the wallowing, floating and leaning sensation when driving them...plus it is very easy to overload them as they seem awful heavy compared to their gvwr (much like my Chrome 345 toy hauler).


The 37HJ is the one I am looking at as I dont want bunk beds even though kids are 8 and almost 5...they will be wanting to sleep up top I am sure. We just bought our 2015 Fuzion last year, but we got such a good deal on it (46% off) , I am not too worried about selling it so soon for a new one. I need to go look at one in person, but they are hard to find around here. The rv show is coming up in january or february I think so we will certainly look hard then. Thanks again!
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We traded up to a 2015 FK from an E-450-based gasser. Mileage has averaged 8.7 over ~7500 miles this year, with 10.4 being the highest. We tow a Honda CR-V and usually can't tell it's there. We travel a lot between our home in Columbus, OH and the Carolinas. The Seneca does well through the WV / VA mountains, although I have found the cruise reluctant to downshift - a quick stomp on the gas pedal resolves that. As others have mentioned, the engine brake is great on the downhills.

Ride is pretty good - it does have airbags in the rear and leaf springs in the front. The 2016 should indeed be better. The key is to get your actual weights and adjust tire pressure accordingly. Running at the 110 max will result in a pretty rough ride. I keep ours around 100 psi based on our weights and the ride is much better.

Accessibility while underway is good - DW usually sits in the back with our three labs while I drive. We have the entertainment center in the overhead bunk and that TV is hooked up to the inverter (can be used while underway with a slight modification to the selenoid attached to the back of the outlet ) for enroute entertainment.

Overall, we love the Seneca and it meets our needs quite well. I do have to agree with one of the previous posters about the mattress - it sucks, and the whole sliding under the closet thing limits the options. We'll be looking at a foam mattress replacement soon. Oh, and I happen to be a fan of the tankless water heater, although I can understand why some don't like it.

Ty
Good stuff. Thank you for sharing your experiences...I am searching for one to see somewhat nearby
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My 37RB weighs 23K ready to hit the road, tow a 24ft enclosed trailer full of quads, dirt bikes and XP900 that weighs 8K with 1100lbs tounge weight. I live at 3500' elevation so all my travel includes grades. I average 9.5MPG as the rig does pretty good dealing with both up and down the hills. I did I install the 60MM Bilstein front shocks, run the tires at 85PSI ride is great, wind has no effect on handling. M2 is awesome.
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My 37RB weighs 23K ready to hit the road, tow a 24ft enclosed trailer full of quads, dirt bikes and XP900 that weighs 8K with 1100lbs tounge weight. I live at 3500' elevation so all my travel includes grades. I average 9.5MPG as the rig does pretty good dealing with both up and down the hills. I did I install the 60MM Bilstein front shocks, run the tires at 85PSI ride is great, wind has no effect on handling. M2 is awesome.

Thanks for the info. I have looked at some dp's and the more I look at them, the more I keep coming back to the Seneca. I like the engine upfront, like the layout, and like not having to worry about overloading it with people and gear and not being limited (within reason) as to what I can tow. I have a rzr 1000 and kids have quads we would be towing, so glad to hear of your experiences. I am going to look hard at getting into one in the spring.
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Ps. Love that pic!! Little different terrain than we ride out here on the east coast!
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Good luck with your search. Those RZR1000's are awesome.
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