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Old 12-13-2015, 07:13 AM   #1
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Greetings folks. The family and I have gotten back into camping this past year with a Fuzion Toy Hauler and while we like it, I am getting the itch to go with a MH as that is how I grew up camping with the grandparents.

I am very interested in the Seneca line as a Super C is likely the route to go for us for several reasons (diesel, Freightliner Chassis, safety, size). I cannot even fit real well in a regular C class MH and since I cannot see ever buying another gas truck again (Ram 3500 with Cummins now), I am not real excited about 6mpg sucking wind climbing mountain roads in west va with a gas Class C...so I was looking for some real world info on the recent Seneca lineup:

1) What is realistic MPG? I average about 10mpg with a 27k CGVW (over 5000 miles this year) with my setup now and wonder if something around that is realistic with a Seneca?

2) Real world weight of rig? Looks like the GVWR is 28k..what is real world weight when you got your Seneca (before stocked up for the road). I am concerned with being too close to GVWR once loaded up...something that can easily happen on most RV's

3) Tow rating - they claim 10k tow rating...this doesnt seem realistic when looking at the combined GVWR of the Seneca..unless you had nothing inside the MH at all...thoughts? I would be towing either a Mini van for a Toad, or a trailer with RZR's and quads when we go to west va

4) Freightliner M2 Chassis - I am assuming this is a huge step up in driving performance over a ford/chevy chassis? I am guessing it would drive a LOT better in twisty mountain roads (we go to west va atv'ing and those roads are not for faint of heart..some can be 11-13% grades and very, very twisty). A rolling, lazy feeling chassis wouldnt be my cup of tea here

5) How accessible is everything while driving down the road? I have noticed that with more and more slideouts, that some MH's seem very, very tight with the slides closed going down the road. The whole reason for a MH over our 2015 Fuzion Toy Hauler would be convenience while under way (8 and 5 year old boys)...ie the vacation starts when we leave the driveway vs when we pull into our first camping stop).

I understand a diesel class c needs to be driven and used and wouldnt do well sitting around in storage much and that wouldnt be an issue as we spent 44 nights in our Fuzion since April of this year, so we will use it...I am also assuming maintenance costs will be a good bit higher with a MH vs our Toy Hauler...is there anything else I am missing as far as differences between the two? Thanks for any real world advice or info you can give...seems Super C info is not as readily available as DP Class A
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:35 AM   #2
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:38 AM   #3
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Ahh...nice! Thanks for the link. I will check it out
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Old 12-13-2015, 08:03 AM   #4
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We purchased a 2015 Seneca FS in April and have put about 6,000 miles on it, which included a 44 day 4,000 mile trip thru the southeast U.S. this summer. In answer to your questions:

1, 2 & 3: our summer trip included 3 adults and 1 child pulling a 4 door Jeep Wrangler. Fully loaded for the trip with full fuel in both vehicles our total CAT scale readings were about 27,000 lbs including the Jeep at about 4,500 lbs. Mileage varied from 8.3 to 10.5 depending on wind, grade, etc.

4: Driving was a much better experience than our previous 5th wheel. We typically set the cruise control at 62-65 mph. We didn't hit any grades greater than 6%, but it managed those well; downshifted as appropriate to keep the rpms at about 1600-1800, engine brake was great on the downhills. We fill at truck stops to take advantage of the dual fill pumps.

5: No access problems while driving; however I have a general rule that everyone stays buckled in. We use rest/fuel stops for movement inside the vehicle.

In general, I like the Super C design vs a Class A. For service we've been able to get in to Freightliner much quicker than if we had a Class A.

Hope this helps....
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We purchased a 2015 Seneca FS in April and have put about 6,000 miles on it, which included a 44 day 4,000 mile trip thru the southeast U.S. this summer. In answer to your questions:



1, 2 & 3: our summer trip included 3 adults and 1 child pulling a 4 door Jeep Wrangler. Fully loaded for the trip with full fuel in both vehicles our total CAT scale readings were about 27,000 lbs including the Jeep at about 4,500 lbs. Mileage varied from 8.3 to 10.5 depending on wind, grade, etc.



4: Driving was a much better experience than our previous 5th wheel. We typically set the cruise control at 62-65 mph. We didn't hit any grades greater than 6%, but it managed those well; downshifted as appropriate to keep the rpms at about 1600-1800, engine brake was great on the downhills. We fill at truck stops to take advantage of the dual fill pumps.



5: No access problems while driving; however I have a general rule that everyone stays buckled in. We use rest/fuel stops for movement inside the vehicle.



In general, I like the Super C design vs a Class A. For service we've been able to get in to Freightliner much quicker than if we had a Class A.



Hope this helps....


Thanks so much. That is exactly what I was looking for. Seems you were over 5000 under the combined wr, so no worries it seems overloading it easily. Also seems the Seneca is kind of a specialty Rv...not a lot to compare it with (In similar price range). Mpg is about what I expected/hoped to hear as there is not much difference between my setup and yours going down the road (13ft tall, 27k lbs, cummins motor etc). Cummins exhaust break is awesome...can't imagine mountain driving with a gasser and our weights).

We love our Fuzion th and I love my truck (daily driver also) but I think the Seneca (or similar) would be a a better fit for us. The 12ft garage on our th makes for a great kids room and bunkhouse, but it quickly becomes a pita when loading up dirty rzr or quads into the garage after a weekend of riding. Having them on my aluma trailer behind the Rv (keeping the mess out of the Rv) seems a lot more attractive to me.

Thanks again for the info. It helps a lot!
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I don't own one, but my research seemed to indicate it was a solid choice. However, I primarily liked the 2016 version because of the air brakes and air ride seats. As mentioned, there is an engine service time/location advantage with the engine placement compared to a diesel pusher Class A, which has always been a draw for me, but that is just one of the compromises one makes in any mh purchase and the regular Class A's do get worked on even if it takes a bit more planning, but size does matter as well.

I probably won't get one simply because I can easily buy a used premium dp for half the price or less, since I have the cash to spend, but that is the same argument for me as to new dp Class A. I can do my own house repairs so I don't put much value on a warranty and am happy to be able to take advantages of the minimal downsides of the depreciation loss of others, assuming the vehicle has been well maintained.

There are a few options I don't see being able to upgrade the Seneca to, for example front air bags, air leveling, and hydronic heating. Some, after purchase, have put in a traditional Atwood water heater, not being fully happy with the tankless water heater option.

I don't believe the aftermarket front air bags are quite the best value as you still keep your basic truck front end. I'm guessing that is why Seneca went with the next best choice = air ride seats.
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I don't own one, but my research seemed to indicate it was a solid choice. However, I primarily liked the 2016 version because of the air brakes and air ride seats. As mentioned, there is an engine service time/location advantage with the engine placement compared to a diesel pusher Class A, which has always been a draw for me, but that is just one of the compromises one makes in any mh purchase and the regular Class A's do get worked on even if it takes a bit more planning, but size does matter as well.

I probably won't get one simply because I can easily buy a used premium dp for half the price or less, since I have the cash to spend, but that is the same argument for me as to new dp Class A. I can do my own house repairs so I don't put much value on a warranty and am happy to be able to take advantages of the minimal downsides of the depreciation loss of others, assuming the vehicle has been well maintained.

There are a few options I don't see being able to upgrade the Seneca to, for example front air bags, air leveling, and hydronic heating. Some, after purchase, have put in a traditional Atwood water heater, not being fully happy with the tankless water heater option.

I don't believe the aftermarket front air bags are quite the best value as you still keep your basic truck front end. I'm guessing that is why Seneca went with the next best choice = air ride seats.
Interesting..I didnt realize the 2015 didnt have the air ride (rear) and air seats up front. I wish there were more options out there for a diesel class c on a heavier chassis (ie not a 3500 chevy or ford chassis). Thanks for the info. Looks like I have a lot of research to be doing
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I don't think I said anything about what the 2015 had or did not have.

I believe the 2015 does have rear suspension air bags which has been there since the new design. I think a couple of forum members mentioned that the ride without air ride seats has been comparable to some of the DPs they had experience with. So, the ride is good enough, regardless.

I'm mostly focused on the air leveling aspects, sorry if that was not clear, and I think you need air bags front and rear to accomplish that.

When my wife and I take off, WE will probably be traveling fairly constantly for several months at a time if not longer. The dog will come as well. I think the choices are largely driven by usage and need. I think we will also do some international traveling from time to time, so reducing my mh investment has several benefits.'

I have this nagging belief that some owners are very tightly pushed financially and for time, but with enough credit. The number of low mileage DPs out there are mentally staggering to me. Thank goodness for trucks...they naturally take those owners to 5th and tts.
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