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Old 12-18-2019, 04:38 PM   #1
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Seneca sway bar

I just had my front sway bar bushings replaced because it was recommend by a freightliner dealer. I may be looking at the wrong thing or maybe a seneca doesn't have a front sway bar. Do they have a sway bar in back? I'm asking if one of you could send me a picture of what I should be looking at.

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Old 12-18-2019, 10:22 PM   #2
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I just had my front sway bar bushings replaced because it was recommend by a freightliner dealer. I may be looking at the wrong thing or maybe a seneca doesn't have a front sway bar. Do they have a sway bar in back? I'm asking if one of you could send me a picture of what I should be looking at.

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The M2 chassis do have a front sway bar but no rear bar from the factory. The original sway bar link bushings are prone to failure. Here are pictures of mine replaced with better polyurethane bushings. Also a picture of a worn-out original bushing.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:54 AM   #3
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I was looking at the wrong bushings, thanks for the pictures. I did ask for poly bushings but i'm seeing black rubber and only on one side and was charged 429.00 for that. does it really take several hours to change one bushing?

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I was looking at the wrong bushings, thanks for the pictures. I did ask for poly bushings but i'm seeing black rubber and only on one side and was charged 429.00 for that. does it really take several hours to change one bushing?

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There exist black colored polyurethane bushings.
IMO several hours to change a sway bar bushing is a definite rip. There are two bolts.
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I was looking at the wrong bushings, thanks for the pictures. I did ask for poly bushings but i'm seeing black rubber and only on one side and was charged 429.00 for that. does it really take several hours to change one bushing?

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As stated there are black polyurethane bushings, but for that price just doing one side is ridiculous.

I did have to replace one of my links itself, the nut on top was so frozen it stripped the threads on the link. $100.00 later I had a new one from Freightliner. Combined removal and replacement time was less than an hour with me laying on my back. No pit or truck lift to help! Did the invoice have a price for one (or two) links in addition to the bushings themselves? Then it might be realistic.

There is a "new" design sway bar system; accelerated wear of these bushings has been a know problem on the M2 chassis pre-dating Jayco use of them for Senecas. Out of warranty the parts alone are over $1k, some owners of newer Senecas had the upgrade done under warranty. It uses a different attachment method for the ends more befitting a heavy truck. My bushings are less than $10, I can change a lot of them rather than pay for the new design!
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Old 12-19-2019, 02:57 PM   #6
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I'm looking at my invoice for the sway bar.

Labor $437.50
bushings polyurethane $6.37 x 2
freight charge $23.00

Looking at the rest of my bill they charged me $87.50 to put on valve stem extenders.

Didn't even get a kiss!
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Same here -

Our roads in Louisiana are the worst. Just did this again on mine. Red bushings from Amazon...about $8.00. I use a small jack to lift the bar a bit to help replace the bolts. Took less that hour as well for both sides.

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Old 12-20-2019, 08:51 AM   #8
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I'm looking at my invoice for the sway bar.

Labor $437.50
bushings polyurethane $6.37 x 2
freight charge $23.00

Looking at the rest of my bill they charged me $87.50 to put on valve stem extenders.

Didn't even get a kiss!
I'm going to say $437.50/hr is slightly above the book shop rate.

And $23 freight? For what? Did they walk to the next town to get the bushings?

Ya, I would be questioning that invoice for sure...
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I am going from memory here... we are not close to the house where the invoices are stored... but I remember in our first year, we took into the Freightliner dealership and they fixed ours on warranty (yea a 2015) as there was a service bulletin written up for it.

From what little I remember.. new part numbers were different from the old, and they took a couple of days to get the parts. I took the Seneca back after they had the new parts and they popped it in in 15 minutes.
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Old 12-26-2019, 01:37 PM   #10
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The Service Bulletin (see attached) converts our bayonet type sway bar connections to a clevis type connection.

My originals are still OK (28k miles). Tried to get the Freightliner place to change under warranty but they refused because they were OK.
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i just checked mine today they still look alright at 20k
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I think that’s WAY over priced! 20 min tops, 30 if he’s smoking while he’s doing it!
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Reminds of when I was going to have the Mercedes dealer change out my spark plugs on the 3ltr V6. They wanted $680.00! Did it myself for $65.00 worth of plugs, some anti-seize, and a couple of beers.
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Sway bar bushings

Replaced my front bushings 2yrs ago, went to Freightliner dealer near where I live and got the bushings for 23.00 and change, took my unit in to garage, only took 45min to complete job and was charged only 120.00, done, and on my way to Florida.To get parts to up grade from Bayonet to the clevis was just over 1100.00 plus labor.
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The Service Bulletin (see attached) converts our bayonet type sway bar connections to a clevis type connection.

My originals are still OK (28k miles). Tried to get the Freightliner place to change under warranty but they refused because they were OK.
After replacing the original bayonet bushings four times had Freightliner install this service bulletin to clevis type connection for $2,300. Yes, I could of replaced the bushings after every trip for the money, but no more bushing issues and greatly reduced sway on the road.
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Reading these post makes me appreciate the ability to do my own work. I've had 4 motorhones over almost 25 years. Had my share of things to fix, including taking the transmission out of a class C on side of road on I85 in Atlanta and replace front seal. Cost me about $50. for seal and fluid. If I had not been pulling a racecar trailer with tools and jack couldn't have done it. It scares me to think of getting caught out and have to pay these prices I see.
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I visited our Seneca today to inspect for another sway bar campaign, D19M4 dealing with the Detroit Axle.

Fortunately I had found this thread and inspected per TSB 32-47. I found 3 deteriorated bushings. One is to the point of breaking apart. Additionally the washers are concave.

Our coach has approximately 18K miles.

Call in to the last local Freightliner dealer. Hoping that this is a warranty item! 🤞
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Just had my rig in for PM service and my sway bar was loose. Bushings worn at 12,300 miles. Freightliner Dealer charged me 1 hour labor and parts were less than $30 bucks for both sides. It was funny when they showed me as I had read this post last week. I had mine in at Berman Freightliner in Leesport, PA about an hour from house for first time and they were awesome to work with. They have a dedicated RV guy and did my service while I waited.
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Received word today that Freightliner is going to warranty cover TSB 32-47. She’s in the shop getting the upgraded!
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Received word today that Freightliner is going to warranty cover TSB 32-47. She’s in the shop getting the upgraded!
Unfortunately mine lasted too long to get covered, despite this being identified as a known issue before my unit was even built!
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