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Old 10-10-2024, 09:33 AM   #1
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ARRIVED! Thetford 40942 Right Angle Valve

IYKYK - After a 7 week wait, the infamous Thetford 40942 Right Angle Valve has arrived! We have a 2003 Jayco Kiwi and believed the Titan Tote was going to be our best option considering how low the tank/s gate valve is. PS - Any comments that you’ve read regarding Thetford’s (less then optimum) Customer Service and post sale support is 100% accurate.
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Old 10-10-2024, 02:27 PM   #2
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Congratulations of finally getting what you ordered.
Not exactly sure what it's for, but I get the clearance for being able to fill your tote.

Suggestion. Lift that rig. The "low hanging fruit" of dangling dump valves are easy to clean off the bottom of your rig in even slightly rough terrain. Just a thought.
Anyway, I hope it works well for you!
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Old 10-10-2024, 02:37 PM   #3
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P.S. Another answer for a very low black tank dump valve is a macerator pump. (There are many brands...the FloJet is a bit pricey, but this is one of those jobs where failure is not an option. ).These will pump uphill...say into a tote in the bed of your truck...using only a 3/4" commercial grade garden hose. I know you have an enclosed vehicle, but if you aren't satisfied with your adapter, a macerator pump can empty your black tank very handily...with the added bonus that you can easily turn it off and on...as you approach full on the tote.

Note that I'm set for both fresh water and black water. We camped for 3 1/2 months nonstop and never had to move the rig to dump or add fresh water.
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Old 10-10-2024, 05:43 PM   #4
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The Thetford Titan 2 Wheeled Tote does NOT include the right angle valve. It IS standard on the 4 wheeled tote (?). The Titan tote does not have a gate valve. You’ll also note the discharge hose is “female” on both ends. There are YouTubes demonstrating the manual P trap dumping method on the previous models of Thetford Totes. As you can imagine, it wasn’t a success! I do appreciate your input. It certainly has me thinking!
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Old 10-10-2024, 08:03 PM   #5
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I have two different totes that are probably too tall for your rig. A Camco Rhino 15 gallon I used with my old popup, and the Barker mentioned in my previous comment.

As a point of information:
Both totes came with all the hoses and adapters needed.
The Barker has a dump gate valve on the side. The Rhino has two 3" connectors. One on the "gozinta" end and one for the "gozouta" end...just hook up the hose and stand it on end to dump.
Both are often too tall for a gravity dump.
I've had to dig a hole for the small Rhino tote when on a lakeside side-hill...and even then I had to use the p-trap method in the stinky slinky from the dump to the tote to get the effluent into the tote.
Frankly, these totes are more likely to be suited to a Fifth-Wheel or larger bumper pull that has significantly more ground clearance to accommodate its long length.

If you end up really frustrated and do a lot of boondocking, you might appreciate the macerator pump and maybe a larger tote. If you look on Amazon, there are a number of much less expensive macerator pumps. I bought the FloJet, because it's my only means of dumping...in the field and into the sewer cleanout at home. Be sure to get one with the water injector, because you can connect a "dirty" garden hose to it and completely clean the pump and connecting hose with fresh water...just like a black tank rinse for the pump. AND, with pressurized water, say at home, you can inject clean water up into both the black and grey tanks to further flush them out.

Anyway, good luck. I understand your frustration. I'm 75, and digging holes big enough to fit a black tank tote isn't high on my list of things I like to do.
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Again, thank you for the information and input. I too am finding a lack of enthusiasm for hole digg’in!
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Again, thank you for the information and input. I too am finding a lack of enthusiasm for hole digg’in!
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Old 10-11-2024, 08:59 AM   #8
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We bought a low-profile Barker tank for our first pop up camper that had a black tank instead of a cassette toilet. Worked pretty well but without a 90* into it I still had to lift and lower the sewer hose near the end of the process to get it all into the tank. Still have it, but now only used occasionally since the TT has a 32-gallon black tank, and the tote is 15 gallons.

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While nowhere near your stay length, we routinely do 4 days with zero issues with black and grey water tanks. The Jayco Kiwi is little on the outside but big on the inside AND underside. The tanks (B&G) are 23 gallons each.
You got me checking out macerators. Wow! Lots of varying opinions on the (former?) benchmark FloJet. Now that our season is over until late April / early May, I have plenty of time to continue my research before purchasing.
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While nowhere near your stay length, we routinely do 4 days with zero issues with black and grey water tanks. The Jayco Kiwi is little on the outside but big on the inside AND underside. The tanks (B&G) are 23 gallons each.
You got me checking out macerators. Wow! Lots of varying opinions on the (former?) benchmark FloJet. Now that our season is over until late April / early May, I have plenty of time to continue my research before purchasing.
FWIW,
With a 4.3 out of 5 rating on a device like this, it's hard to do better. Every so often, one will be bad. Mine does not get hot...just a little warm. By the time I get to the end of the dump, I'm using the black tank flush...which is right above the macerator. I use hose quick connects to the black tank flush connection, and they leak a little - dribbling water onto the pump. That helps cool it, and since it's sealed and handles "water", the drips don't hurt it.

A phenomenon that happens with any dump...macerator or gravity...is that solids in the black tank dam up the output of the tank. Often there may be 3 to 5 gallons of dammed up effluent in the black tank that simply won't dump without "help" from the black tank flush or a bucket of water down the toilet (good when boondocking and there is a lake or stream nearby. I sometimes add 12 gallons of water down the toilet in three 4 gallon buckets-full.)

So, to that end, I have added one of these clear fittings on the end of the black tank dump...or the macerator...either way. The key is to monitor the output of the tank and stop the pump when effluent stops. "Liquid" from the tank passing through the pump cools the pump. If the pump runs dry, it will get warmer. The clear fitting allows you to see when flow stops and to take steps to move things along...bucket or black tank flush...or both.

The clear adapter allows you to manage the pump properly and keep it from running dry...and prevent the pump from getting too hot. There's no harm whatsoever in turning the pump on and off as needed. Definitely don't leave it running dry while you scramble to break the dam.

FINALLY, what's the worst that would happen if the macerator pump failed? On its face, it sounds ugly. In reality, all you do is close the black tank dump gate valve, then put a "dirty" bucket under the connection and out comes roughly 1 quart of waste into the bucket and the mouth of the pump. Catch that waste in the bucket, and dump it back down the toilet or into your black tank tote. Next, there is waste water in the 3/4" garden hose. Once you have cleared the waste from the dump pipe and mouth of the pump, raise the pump end of the garden hose higher than the fill point on the tote and the waste drains into the tote. This is a step I do every time anyway...typically after running some relatively "clean" grey water through the pump and hose to flush it out. All said and done, disaster averted.
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Yep gotcha! I watched one YouTuber who did the FloJet brand ZERO favors. He was 100’ away from the pump and was more interested in the discharge end and was NOT assuring outflow was sufficient. He eventually concluded that the thermal cutoff was a “feature”!
Your macerator pump analysis is spot. The macerator pump is (almost) exclusively a “non-essential” device. A failure should amount to not much more than an inconvenience and/or a change of plans.
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IYKYK - After a 7 week wait, the infamous Thetford 40942 Right Angle Valve has arrived! We have a 2003 Jayco Kiwi and believed the Titan Tote was going to be our best option considering how low the tank/s gate valve is. PS - Any comments that you’ve read regarding Thetford’s (less then optimum) Customer Service and post sale support is 100% accurate.
Where were you able to find it, I'm in the same boat
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Old 10-21-2024, 09:20 PM   #13
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My local RV service shop is an authorized Thetford dealer. Initially his distributor couldn’t get one. I was calling Thetford every other day for weeks and when Thetford informed me that they had a “hand full” in the warehouse, I WENT to my dealer and he immediately called the distributor and the distributor likewise immediately placed an order with Thetford. Thetford made ZERO effort to be an active participant in helping “us” get this 40942 right angle valve. So I guess you could reverse engineer the system too. Call Thetford, when they tell you there is a “hand full” in the warehouse, have your Thetford dealer call their distributor and place an immediate order (if possible). Basically it’s gonna take local RV folks who care because Thetford doesn’t. Good Luck!
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