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Old 01-23-2021, 07:16 PM   #41
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I have a 2019 Jayco Eagle HT 29.5 BHOK. I tow it with a 2017 2500HD Duramax. The pin weight rating claims 1790 LBS. With the 5th wheel hitch my rear axle weight is just a few pounds shy of axle capacity. That is with trailer loaded ready to camp. Full propane 1/4 full fresh water tank.
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:50 PM   #42
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1/2 ton trucks

For what it’s worth, I’ve pulled TT’s, 5’ers, flatbeds, motorcycle trailers, etc.. After having a F350 dually and a F250 4x4, I wouldn’t even pull a pop-up with a 1/2 ton ever again! As stated before, the frame, brakes, suspension, etc. are all just more beefy! Just my $0.02 worth.
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Old 01-23-2021, 08:08 PM   #43
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Looking at the 24RE seems to be big enough for wife and I, just considering the options for when we upgrade from our hybrid
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:24 PM   #44
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Here's my take on half ton pickups. We went from a 1T Dually with 32' 5er to a Seneca. Last year we towed a fwd SUV on a dolly since it could not be towed 4-down. This year we bought a F150 4x4 to assume the Toad position and are in the process of procuring all the equipment to make it legal and safe. Since the Seneca has air brakes we are going with an air operated supplemental braking system in the truck.

Motorhome Magazine Dingy towing Guide rates Jeep Wrangler and half ton pickups highly for towing. All are 4x4, and pickups are AT-only these days. Great pickup and it quiet and rides nicer than the SUV.

But for trailer towing, the topic of this thread, a 4,500 lb pickup towing a 7000 or 8000 lb trailer is asking for trouble IMHO - climbing, descending, crosswinds, evasive maneuvers are all going to be white knuckle events. There are at least 3 limiting conditions - the right option packages for HD towing, Rear Axle load capacity and GCWR - the combined truck and trailer weight plus a the weight of occupants, non-OEM additions, miscellaneous gear that ends up in the trailer bed, etc. Not having the right HD towing options fails you to 5,100 lbs, no matter the engine or chassis. Keep in mind the trailer specs are dry weight plus a weight allowance for propane, water in the water heater and tanks, and everything you add to make the trip fun... For my truck that would be a trailer with a wet weight of about 7000 lbs. So you are likely talking a single axle travel trailer, and add that to the above white knuckle scenario when either trailer tire blows out. Going a step further, it should be pretty obvious that Half-ton towable fifth wheels are a bad joke on the consumer in reality.
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Old 01-24-2021, 08:56 AM   #45
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Are the half ton towables actually safe to pull with a half ton truck? Was looking at the 24RE at the Tampa RV show
With the Max tow package; yes!
I've a 2016 Ford 150 and have pulled a 39' pull behind, recommend air bags for your truck if you go this route. I'm currently pulling an HT29.5BHOK with no problems maintaining speed limits through Texas at 80mph+.
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Old 01-24-2021, 09:15 AM   #46
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I don’t understand this thought process

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no way I am pulling a 5er with a 1/2 ton truck sure you can pull it but how about stopping
If you have properly adjusted brakes on the trailer why is this an issue?
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Old 01-24-2021, 09:24 AM   #47
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it always amuses me when someone mentions stopping. They all have their own brakes so it’s not stopping that’s the issue. It’s not even pulling that’s a concern, but having enough weight to actually control what you’re towing. This is why this new thing with making trucks lighter, of aluminum, that’s worrisome. Also having enough tire, suspension strength. But braking?.....not an issue.
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Old 01-24-2021, 09:36 AM   #48
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OP one thing, when you come to a place like here remember , no matter what your truck will never be big enough.



Its like you always need a shovel to kill a fly.Go by Manufacturer numbers and recommendation, use your head, drive at a reasonable speed and enjoy the trip.


If the weather is bad , and if the wind too strong , park it. Because If its too windy for a 150, its too windy for a 250 or 350 . Sometimes its even too windy for a semi !!! The force exerted by the wind on the side of the fiver or trailer will not diseapear only because your truck have bigger axle or weight 1000 pounds more ...
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Old 01-24-2021, 04:14 PM   #50
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Are the half ton towables actually safe to pull with a half ton truck? Was looking at the 24RE at the Tampa RV show
I have sold GMC trucks for 20 years and for many of those years I camped in a class c. Finally we stepped up to a 28 foot trailer with a dry weight of 6500 pounds 8600 pounds max. Before we bought the trailer I knew all the numbers and confidently quoted them talking to a customer. What I hadn't experienced until we bought was actually towing.
My first experience pulling out trailer into a headwind with a half ton short box had me using a 3/4 ton the next time we went out. The numbers said that the truck was fine. It sure didn't feel it. It did not feel as stable or controlled as the heavier trucks did.

Using the 3/4 ton made all the difference.

Buy more truck than you need, you will not regret it.
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I have sold GMC trucks for 20 years and for many of those years I camped in a class c. Finally we stepped up to a 28 foot trailer with a dry weight of 6500 pounds 8600 pounds max. Before we bought the trailer I knew all the numbers and confidently quoted them talking to a customer. What I hadn't experienced until we bought was actually towing.
My first experience pulling out trailer into a headwind with a half ton short box had me using a 3/4 ton the next time we went out. The numbers said that the truck was fine. It sure didn't feel it. It did not feel as stable or controlled as the heavier trucks did.

Using the 3/4 ton made all the difference.

Buy more truck than you need, you will not regret it.
So my brother called me this morning to ask if I could give him my take on a used f150. The seller has a new one coming in this week and we 3wayed the call. By the time we got off the phone he decided not to sell his just yet because the F150 he ordered was just like mine and I told him my woes. 5ver or not, the F150 is a glorified grocery getter.
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Another take on rehashing what has already been said.

I have a 2006 Ram 1500 with the tow package. Max tow is 7700 pounds. A Ram 1500 today can be optioned to tow over 10,000 pounds. For the last decade, manufacturers have been in "towing wars," and the to ratings have jumped substantially.

So, it depends on the age of the truck and how it is outfitted from the factory. I was shocked to learn that some early Ford F-150s with the small turbo V-6 engines had a claimed to capacity of 12,000 pounds. A whole lot goes into that truck to give it that tow capacity.

You can still buy a regular old 1/2 ton that come close to those numbers. Shop wisely.
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Old 01-24-2021, 06:02 PM   #53
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I have never seen a Class C built on a 1/2 ton truck
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Another take on rehashing what has already been said.

I have a 2006 Ram 1500 with the tow package. Max tow is 7700 pounds. A Ram 1500 today can be optioned to tow over 10,000 pounds. For the last decade, manufacturers have been in "towing wars," and the to ratings have jumped substantially.

So, it depends on the age of the truck and how it is outfitted from the factory. I was shocked to learn that some early Ford F-150s with the small turbo V-6 engines had a claimed to capacity of 12,000 pounds. A whole lot goes into that truck to give it that tow capacity.

You can still buy a regular old 1/2 ton that come close to those numbers. Shop wisely.
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Fwiw, I had a situation with my fifth wheel in which I had no trailer brakes. Didn’t think it possible, but it happened. I’ve got a 1 ton, and 12k lb trailer. Granted, you wouldn’t tow this particular trailer with a half ton, it’s an example to show that you do need to be prepared to pull without trailer brakes. It makes a pretty substantial difference.
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Another take on rehashing what has already been said.

I have a 2006 Ram 1500 with the tow package. Max tow is 7700 pounds. A Ram 1500 today can be optioned to tow over 10,000 pounds. For the last decade, manufacturers have been in "towing wars," and the to ratings have jumped substantially.

So, it depends on the age of the truck and how it is outfitted from the factory. I was shocked to learn that some early Ford F-150s with the small turbo V-6 engines had a claimed to capacity of 12,000 pounds. A whole lot goes into that truck to give it that tow capacity.

You can still buy a regular old 1/2 ton that come close to those numbers. Shop wisely.
"To capacity"??? Doh! Typo: Tow capacity.
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We had a 2014 1/2 ton GMC special ordered for max towing with 6.2L engine. Great truck until you hook up your 8000# trailer. She would pull it fine until wind and road conditions got a bit challenging. Traded it for a new special order 2020 3/4 ton Chevrolet with Duramax. Cost us more, but we got so much more and pulling the trailer now is never a white knuckle experience.
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Payload 3614, rated to pull 35000. Get 12-13 mpg pulling and up to 27 on highway.
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It's all in the numbers, my numbers say our '13 F150 ECO BOOST w/ 7200 lb gvwr package & TRAILER TOW PACKAGE can pull our 28DSBH & it does so very well. Would I pull a 5'er no. This is the other 1/2 cent worth
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