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Old 12-13-2013, 07:27 AM   #21
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A little story about loaded weights…….a friend of mine towed his TT from one seasonal site to another, a distance of about 70 miles. He used his half-ton pickup. The 32 foot TT had a tongue weight around 900 lbs, but he also loaded his patio stones in the bed of the truck, so he only had to make the trip once. Twenty four stones at 50 lbs each for a total of 1,200 lbs. So, his truck was carrying around 2,100 lbs. He told me at the end of the trip, his truck tires were too hot to touch. He laughed and said he made it in one piece. I just smiled and shook my head, thinking of what could have gone wrong.
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:01 AM   #22
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I thought I could get a 2500, but if you do the same exercise, a 2k pin weight, on a loaded 3/4 ton diesel, MOST will be over their payload capacity (when factoring in the family in the truck) and or axle weights.
This is EXACTLY what happened to me on our first 5er. Pin weight was 2225 and we were over the limit. I know a lot of guys do it but it was not a comfortable experience for me...for me. The wisest advice I have ever heard about towing is that "you can never have too much truck".
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Old 12-13-2013, 12:00 PM   #23
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snip.... Bottom-line, payload capacity on our trucks is somewhat underrated/ conservative. I could say, with a proper tires/ springs/ shocks set up, a 20-25% weight increase should be fine.
I'm not sure by your statement "our trucks" if you are referring to Tundra's, or trucks in general.

As mentioned in my earlier post, I would take your Tundra to a CAT scale and confirm how much actual Payload Capacity you have remaining (available) for the hitch and pin weight....., eliminate all the assumptions.

I personally wouldn't assume that manufacture specified Payload Capacities are somewhat underrated/conservative, because I haven't seen any real qualitative or quantitative data that suggests this....., but that's just me.

Exceeding your Tundra's payload capacity by 20% to 25% towing a FW is your choice, but I wouldn't recommend it.

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Old 12-13-2013, 02:00 PM   #24
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And about loading your truck until it sags, guilty as H**L here:wink:
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I have no advice on Tundras or 5ers to offer, but I can welcome you to the forum, PKEagle!
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I'm not sure by your statement "our trucks" if you are referring to Tundra's, or trucks in general.

As mentioned in my earlier post, I would take your Tundra to a CAT scale and confirm how much actual Payload Capacity you have remaining (available) for the hitch and pin weight....., eliminate all the assumptions.

I personally wouldn't assume that manufacture specified Payload Capacities are somewhat underrated/conservative, because I haven't seen any real qualitative or quantitative data that suggests this....., but that's just me.

Exceeding your Tundra's payload capacity by 20% to 25% towing a FW is your choice, but I wouldn't recommend it.

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That's exactly what I intend to do.
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FYI: The frame constructability on the Tundra is unquestionable. It has already been put to test numerous times. Besides it did pull over 290k lbs without any frame failure issues whatsoever. lol




Also, 2000lbs payload on the Tundra is nothing. lol
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I will say this, however, the new 2014 GMC pickup has some interesting numbers published for it. I understand the Tundra has been re-designed for 2014 also, but could not find any new numbers yet. Here are the GMC numbers. Note: if choosing a 4WD version you lose 300 lbs of payload capacity. I would also say, don’t expect to apply these numbers to older models.

GMC Sierra 1500 Double Cab 2WD Std Box
6.2L Gas engine, 3:73 axle ratio with Max Tow Pkg

GVWR 7,200 lbs
Base Curb Weight 5,074 lbs
Payload Capacity 2,101 lbs
Tow Capacity 12,000 lbs

Of course the payload capacity would be reduced by the number of passengers and other camping gear, but shifting as much camping gear as you can into the 5er would help.
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That might make you feel a little better with the Tundra.
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That might make you feel a little better with the Tundra.
What would you expect out of a Toyota engineer????
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It's interesting to watch and read about the comparisons. Still need to see more hard engineering specs on the new Tundra. Getting back to the OP topic, know the specs for your own particular truck model. Take it to the CAT scales and verify you're within the specs for your model. The engineers put the specs there for a reason.
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