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Old 08-11-2015, 12:07 AM   #171
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imjustdave: I have tried to level with one group 24, one group 27, two 6v golf cart batteries (Trojan T-105s) and with it plugged into the pedestal as well as plugged into the TV. P25ct has a hookup that lets him tie into his truck batteries once unhooked. None of us can get level reliably past about 1.2-1.5 degrees off side to side. I have the 2.0 system, and can say that I don't have the nose issue. Mine will always level front to back. The system requires 12.5 volts at the computer, which is its first problem, and it is downhill from there. This system uses the front and rear jacks to level and then drops the middle jacks to stabilize. Right now I have my seismic sitting with boards under the wheels to get it within a degree and then leveled with the auto system. My last camper had the lippert 6 point hydraulic system and it would level from over 4 degrees off side to side on one group 24 battery (picks the whole suspension off the ground. fun to watch).

MOCamper: I don't know what to tell you. If you are buying and one of the upgrades you wanted was the auto-leveling, I would have to say cancel, because it will not auto-level in most situations and you will be back to using boards or whatever you used before to level sid to side. It sounds like you have some other issues going on with construction quality too, so I might be worried. I have called Jayco with my fail to level stories and asked them to look at this forum so they can get an idea, but I doubt they will. I know I am actively telling people that this system is horrible and will not reliably level a camper.
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:17 AM   #172
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djtho1- Reason 1 for the camper is a real living room. Reason 2 is Auto level. Reason 3 is the older kids can use the loft while the baby sleeps in play pen below. Reason 4 is whisper air, which I think Jayco is the only MFG that does not do both out of the ac that use the central return system. I think I am going to call dealer and do some serious questioning, and if I am not satisfied I'll cancel. Since this unit was already on order all I have in this is $250.00. The problem is the dealer is 6 hours away so I cant just go monkey with a North Point on their lot until I am satisfied. I guess I will have to wait for Montana to come out with this floor plan.
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:40 AM   #173
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I would definately talk to the dealer and ask them serious questions. What Jayco is currently saying is that the unit has to start out "reasonably level" before using the auto level system. Kinda defeats the purpose of having auto leveling in my opinion. We had an evergreen bayhill before my current seismic and liked it. We got the seismic because the toy hauler worked better for our full-timing needs. We full time with four kiddos, so this non-leveling system is a major PIA to us because we use it a lot. Good luck!
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Old 08-11-2015, 06:16 AM   #174
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MOCamper... My ground control seems to work as advertised.
I'm loving my new NorthPoint.
A couple things that I don't like are... The cabinet doors with the DVD don't stay open cause they open upwards ... I can't hook up on an angle with my tailgate down (it hits the trailer) and the front cap isn't short box friendly. I've never had to deal with these things before.
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Old 08-11-2015, 10:56 AM   #175
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Went with my friend again looking for a new camper. I told him there is NO WAY I would EVER buy another unit with this 3.0 crap in it. He wants a Montana something or other and they offer all 3 of the Lippert products. I told him again, hydraulic is the only way to go.
I'm excited to leave on Friday for my trip, but nervous because I am sure the system will fail. I have a broken leg at the present moment and getting under the camper and putting leveling pads under the tires will be rough to say the least. I think that Jayco should retro fit these faulty POS's with the hydraulic system for all the stress the 3.0 system causes.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:26 PM   #176
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I spoke to Brad from Bigfoot Leveling Systems. It looks like I will be having the system installed on the Seismic, if DW and I decide to hang onto it, which I think we will as she really is happy with the unit otherwise. It's more expensive by a few hundred than a Level Up by Lippert but quality is better and I refuse to hand another 4k to Lippert for one of their products, when their 3k$ product I have is being ripped out, however I don't so much blame them, as much as I do Jayco for choosing these electric systems on big 5ers.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:37 PM   #177
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I spoke to Brad from Bigfoot Leveling Systems. It looks like I will be having the system installed on the Seismic, if DW and I decide to hang onto it, which I think we will as she really is happy with the unit otherwise. It's more expensive by a few hundred than a Level Up by Lippert but quality is better and I refuse to hand another 4k to Lippert for one of their products, when their 3k$ product I have is being ripped out, however I don't so much blame them, as much as I do Jayco for choosing these electric systems on big 5ers.
I agree. I have to save up more $$$$ since Jayco just got all the money I had for my new Pinnacle. I wonder if the 3.0 is worth anything since it's only worked once.... bwhaaa
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:26 AM   #178
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Back to the original "Other" problems with our new camper. Jayco still hasn't responded about what they are going to do about the inside wall that has delaminated itself. This is the entire area about of couch and dinette area. Still waiting on the TV to get here so it can be replaced and just about everything else that was on my original list back in the beginning of July.
I truly don't understand why things take so long. They took my money lick a dee split.
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Old 08-24-2015, 10:39 AM   #179
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Just got back from a week in the camper. We had a water leak in 3 connections from the water panel. The Plex connectors were not close to being tightend and everything in the basement was soaked. With the lack of support for water lines that are "Out of sight" I'm surprised there aren't more failures. Looks like I'll be in there securing and organizing this mess... What a joke.
I truly cannot believe that this is acceptable wiring and plumbing.
I guess out of sight out of mind UNTIL something leaks and ruins stuff that's in storage.
The washer and dryer are a great addition, but the washer will shake you to death in the spin cycle. Not sure exactly what to do to fix that issue. I guess one problem at a time.
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:36 AM   #180
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Just got back from a 4 day trip. I am so disappointed with this camper it's not even funny. So much so that I may not buy another Jayco in the future.
1.) I've had 6 water leaks so far and am not looking forward future ones. When the plumber came out this week on site to fix these last 3 he said, "Hopefully the shower doesn't leak next as there is no place to get into that unless we cut a hole in the cabinet behind the shower.
2.) The keyless entry failed to open the lock fully Friday night in the rain when we arrived on site. It tries to open, but will not slide the bar all the way open so we could get in. Thank God I left a set of keys in the truck so we could get in.
3.) The lockset in the entry door doesn't like to function properly either. When closing the door it hits the striker plate and bounce off and doesn't close. There is like caulk everywhere inside the mechanism and I got as much as I could out of there.
4.) Both of the recliner chairs broke within 15 minutes of each other. Cheap chairs for sure.
I did however get Auto Level Success on my first try. I think I am getting the hang of this 3.0 system.
Now time to call the dealer to add these to my growing list of things to be fixed. Still no answer as to what they will do to fix my wall & TV.
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