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Old 03-09-2016, 10:43 PM   #21
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Yours isn't going to the disconnect, it goes from the top breaker to the bottom breaker with the little red wire. Hooked directly to the battery wire. Using the bottom breaker stud as a junction point.
It's not going through the bottom breaker to the disconnect. It is going directly to the battery via the 4 ga black wire.
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Old 03-09-2016, 10:51 PM   #22
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Been a busy week! My apologies for the delay in responding.

So, I've been through the the Jayco service/support roundabout via emails and phonecalls, they either don't want to or can't answer the seemingly very simple questions about the rooftop solar wire drop location. I've received all of the same answers that Onefastdaddy and others have in the form of vague responses and marketing PDF attachments. Honestly, I certainly could have been clearer in my inquiries, but this is a simple thing to understand. I'm not done yet, however...

So, I emailed gopower electric and received this response,"The pre-wired solar kit should have two wires behind the cabinet (from the solar panel) and then two wires from the battery bank. I would assume the wiring for the battery bank is not connected in the battery tray. I'm not 100% sure how Jayco does this but that is how it is usually done. It should be distinguishable to know which ones are the solar wires and which ones are the battery wires - same thing with their respective polarities. In general white or red will be positive and black is negative. It is always best to check with a voltmeter so you have the appropriate wires and polarity"

I (stupidly) loosened the nuts holding the rooftop solar entry point wires in place and found the the wires are Red and Black, as in the picture. They drop into my Master Bedroom area near the vent, and using a rifle borescope I have found that the red and black wires are connected to white and black wires of approx. the same gauge that lead to the main/kitchen area. I still need to chase down these wires path... Sorry, no picture of that, the borescope has no camera.

So as it sits now, I have identified 2 wires, white and back that either terminate at the rooftop entry point, or terminate at the battery (currently disconnected). Tomorrow, my task is to identify those wires using a voltmeter.

I am also going to literally ripoff the sticker and look for wires behind, who knows?
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:18 PM   #23
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Daddy, I just re read your post with the pictures
The schematic you posted IS for the side solar, not for the roof solar.
You say your battery cables are all 8 ga? I was just assuming they were 4ga when I was mentioning your battery cable in my post.
If you have an extra black at the battery, try and follow it. One of them goes to that bottom breaker in your picture, right?? The other one should be going to the roof solar, but there SHOULD be another one of those beakers attached to it. Somewhere.
There is no other need for your rig to have another +12v 8ga constant wire, except for the solar.
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Old 03-10-2016, 09:33 AM   #24
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@lancehead: Keep up the good work. I sometimes get pictures through a microscope just by holding the phone camera to the eyepiece and take a picture. Simple but it works. Maybe the same works for the riflescope? Honestly though no photo of that needed just knowing the wire colors is good enough and location as we seem to have a mystery on our hands where that stuff is Jayco can't even solve.

@klassic: Thank you, again, I need to follow up by using your notes and a voltmeter.

From my limited experience with solar like lancehead says you run from the solar to a controller, then the controller to the battery. To wire direct from the connector to the battery wouldn't make sense. So far I can't confirm either but it may help to locate the wire to know the gauge, the colors, the basic area.

The lack of the guys that made it knowing this is troubling considering it's all over the marketing materials it's pre wired and ready...the missing fine print is: "however we have no idea where we put the wires so don't ask us".

Forums like this are great for a vendor to get an idea where to improve. I hope Jayco monitors these forums and can learn from it and go to the factory and make some improvements. Having been to auto factories to watch BMWs get made I picture at Jayco a build document with a VIN starting the process. All things known in advance and tagged to that VIN. Location where the wires go and all these color changes as things are wired together should be on that build sheet. Today even a photo of those key points during the build would be easy to do and it all could go into a database (I used to build big databases of this scale for a living).

Hoping if it's not done this way someone at the upper management position there would be interested in this. A trailer, like an auto is mostly assembled offsite parts integrated inside a shell made onsite. This sort of documentation is key to safety. If there's a recall or safety issue with one of those parts knowing all the vehicles associated is a huge thing for the manufacturer.
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Old 03-10-2016, 10:48 AM   #25
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Daddy the side solar is wired direct to the battery after it goes through the top breaker in your picture.
You can verify that with a voltmeter.. Or simply looking at your schematic you posted.
The controller is built into the portable side solar panel that one would purchase if they were going to use the side solar.
The roof solar is split, waiting for you to attach a controller.
The roof solar, right now ISN'T going directly to the battery.

I'm almost positive the "extra" white wire you have at the battery is your chassis ground. You need to connect it.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:20 PM   #26
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Daddy the side solar is wired direct to the battery after it goes through the top breaker in your picture.
You can verify that with a voltmeter.. Or simply looking at your schematic you posted.
The controller is built into the portable side solar panel that one would purchase if they were going to use the side solar.
The roof solar is split, waiting for you to attach a controller.
The roof solar, right now ISN'T going directly to the battery.

I'm almost positive the "extra" white wire you have at the battery is your chassis ground. You need to connect it.
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@klassic: There are no "extra" unconnected white or any color wires at the battery. None of the wiring there inside that compartment are related to the rooftop solar as they are all connected, terminate, at a + or - on the battery. Bummer as it would be so logical to find that was the case.

Yes, understood, I traced and followed the wires physically from the front "Solar Ready" connector to the battery. No it does not go through any of the things in my photos. The ground from the connector goes to the frame ground (Leg for the right side front jack). The other goes right to the battery. Confirmed for kicks with a voltmeter and battery voltage seen.

Now, back to the mystery. The roof solar where I hope to use the "Wired for Solar" connectors and wiring from the factory to mount roof solar panels. That has zero volts up there (as expected). No details anywhere to be had where the other end is. I would prefer like the OP here, to use that wires but it's going to require me finding the other end.

I do know where it is not at:
1. It's not behind the main switch panel (not fuses, switches) there inside the main entry door. There is a sticker right there saying to mount the solar charger there. This seems to hint, because there's a template sticker saying to put the panel there, there would be wires waiting for me behind the panel but nope, not there. I did dig even further inside the cabinet there for wires and found only the wireless controller.
2. Inside all cabinets I do not see any exposed wires. So they are behind something, ie I will have to remove some paneling to get to it.

Boy, I really wish the OP would come back online here and either say he gave up or found them as mine probably are in the same place.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:38 PM   #27
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That's odd Daddy.. I followed my side solar right to a 20a breaker (like in your picture)
And I followed my roof solar wire right to a 30a breaker.

I don't understand why Jayco wouldn't fuse that wire on your rig.
Now if you short out the side solar connector by accident, the 12g wire will burn up and could cause a fire. Not to mention if your roof solar wire isn't on a breaker, that 8ga wire will really heat up.
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Good news, I am getting closer to making sense of things.

I'm a visual person. I'll post photos as well. Here's a couple with some annotations.

Essentially the text version is:
Red from the front solar ready Zamp connector goes up and to the top most 2 post connector that then eventually goes to the Battery disconnect and the + side of the battery.

The black off that connector is crimped after a short length to a white (8 gauge) short length of wire right to the - side of the battery.

Only fuse I see is a 30A (guessing, too dark to go look now) auto fuse (green wire) from the battery disconnect to a large wire nut that has an orange a few black wires going to it fed also by the lower of the two 2 connector connectors (see right side photo).

Here's the photos. This is of course all up front at the battery location.
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Old 03-31-2016, 11:03 PM   #29
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Ok, now inside the trailer, this is immediately to the left as you enter in the main entrance.
I found something more unpleasant than the rats nest of wires behind the panels....a leak. I think the big cracks in the caulking around the solar connector up top allows water inside as an LED light right under it poured water on my face when I removed the cover.

I'll post the photo. Do you suppose those big cracks and the void underneath (cavity) is allowing water in around the connector? Nothing else up there in that area to leak, well, long like other thing to leak. Maybe the sky light but the LED was really almost right under the solar connector. I removed it to feel around for wires but the hole is too small.

Oh, also, I found a single 8 gauge black wire (see photo). This is from right behind the main panel (see another photo). This is the main panel with all the switches on it and a template saying install the solar control panel here. It's un-powered as I used a volt meter, + on the volt meter to this wire and - on the volt meter to a ground, nothing measured (0.00v). Maybe this is the + from the roof solar connector? If so where's the - ??? There is no white wire the same size to be found here. Maybe they tied it to a trailer/chassis ground already somwhere else? If so they really expect an interesting solar charger connection here. Just the hot with the ground going who knows where. This is the only 8 gauge wire anywhere here and the only unconnected wire.

Also are some photos behind the switch panel and inside the cabinet behind it.


PS: Well, we can learn together here. Just sharing what I'm finding. I hope it's not overkill and is useful to others.
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Old 03-31-2016, 11:30 PM   #30
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Good news...and bad news.
You had better get that leak back to the dealer ASAP!
That is really unfortunate.
Good thing you were digging into things, it might have been a lot worse if you never went on your hunt

That 8g wire, I bet, is going to the roof. I don't understand why all the wires aren't right there.
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