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Old 04-10-2016, 11:07 AM   #51
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The only reds I have are the positive from the roof, the positive from the side solar, and the positive for the GroundControl... EVERYTHING else is black positive and white negative. All my solar is white negative too.
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Old 04-10-2016, 02:34 PM   #52
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Yes, exactly, I see you said the Red wire in the middle...isn't that the red from the roof solar?
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Yes, the red in the middle is the roof that goes to the taped off ends coiled up. The red to the left is GroundControl, and the red on the bottom is the side solar.

In the taped off coil picture one pair of red/white goes to the roof, in the other pair the red goes to the mentioned breaker in the picture, but the white goes to the frame, not to the battery.

I just noticed your other hand drawn pictures. Awesome drawings! Lol.
I'm always jealous of people that can draw pictures of any sort. For that matter, that can print legibley
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Old 04-11-2016, 12:30 PM   #54
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I just had a very interesting call with Jayco Customer Service. He flat out refused to discuss any aspect of wiring with me. He said I was under warranty and that I must discuss this only with RV Sacramento (My local dealer). He would not discuss anything. Very disappointing.
I understand if my car had a warranty and I wanted to install a car stereo because it said it was pre-wired for car stereo and I found the wiring was not right I should go to the dealer. But I also believe if I called the factory rep they would also help me. Wiring diagrams for cars are available online easily.

I hope this thread is found by others. It is info worth knowing when you shop. It's 2016. People want solar options. Everyone should learn more about how this all works. Solar is like air. If you have lungs you can use it. If you have a panel and sun you can make energy. It's just there so why not take advantage of it? You use less coal/oil based power that way. If everyone used a bit less grid based energy the combined saving is huge. Maybe you run the generator a bit less, maybe you run your car engine less etc. It all adds up. I won't give up on getting solar in this thing.

I called Jayco support after leaving a voicemail for the service department at Sacramento RV. Honestly I would pay RV Sacramento to put the solar in it but that would require them convincing me they could do a better job than me.

That's another life lesson I learned, from Steve Jobs. Everything you see around you in the world was designed by people no smarter than you. It's a simplification but very true. Those people simply studied more and just did those things required to get to that level So installing solar here isn't rocket science. The installers you pay are no smarter than any of us in that they simply taught themselves or learned to do it and do it for hire.

I have paid a lot of money to people to do terrible work. The options for installing solar in an RV are limited. Friend suggest I go to CampingWorld in Roseville here. I maybe to get a second opinion. The reason is I want someone who wants to do quality work not someone just trying to get paid. I took my trailer to them for a roof leak and their fix was not to remove the old sealant but to just pile up new sealant around the old work creating now a giant pile of that stuff all over the roof. Essentially there's still gaps and cracks just now it's buried under 3 tubes of sealant.

If RV Sacramento truly wants to do a great job I will find out soon and they will get the business and I will praise them here.

If they don't I will either find someone who will or do it myself and document me doing it, which will look a lot like the job klssic did as his is exemplary and worthy of praise, and share that to encourage others.
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Old 04-11-2016, 12:51 PM   #55
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It is probably worth noting that as far as I can tell our trailers are warrantied by each of the vendors independently. Your TV thought the TV vendor, the radio, oven, microwave, wheels, suspension all of it is just assembled from new warrantied parts by Jayco (or an authorized assembly plant).
This is good to know at purchasing time and to get clarification. Actually when you go sign the papers and they try and sell you the extended warranties they point this out.
This is the 21st century. It is a consumers world now because we can educate each other. YouTube, social media, forums, and more make this a great time to be a consumer.

I just called RV Sacramento back a second time and again was given to the voicemail where I left a second voicemail requesting a call back.
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I think the most frustrating part is that the dealer isn't necessarily smarter than us, or Jayco and even worse, may just give an uninformed answer.

I did notice earlier, when I saw a recall notice that linked to the NHTSA site and decided to search, that the recall on the 2016 HT's showed up. Under that recall there is a link to "associated documents". One of these documents is "Remedy Instructions and TSB" which details the fix. The part of it that makes it related to this is that they mention red vs white for the wire to go to the breaker. White was early build, red is later builds.

Here (hopefully) is a link:

2016 JAYCO EAGLE | Safercar | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)

Also interesting is that I read in one of the documents was that the "defect"was found by a Jayco Engineer and a Vender. I wonder if the company that makes the "solar package" was brought in to figure out what was not being done correctly?
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:16 PM   #57
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This would explain why I don't see your roof solar breaker.

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Jayco, Inc. (Jayco) is recalling certain model year 2016 Eagle Half Ton fifth wheels and Eagle travel trailers manufactured April 8, 2015, to February 19, 2016. In the affected trailers, the positive cable (B+) connecting the battery box to the roof-mounted solar panel preparation package may not be protected by a circuit breaker.
CONSEQUENCE:
Without circuit protection, the wire may short circuit, increasing the risk of a fire.
REMEDY:
Jayco will notify owners, and dealers will tie the unprotected circuit into a 30amp circuit breaker, free of charge. The recall began on March 18, 2016. Owners may contact Jayco customer service at 1-800-283-8267. Jayco's number for this recall is 9901286.
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This would explain why I don't see your roof solar breaker.

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Jayco, Inc. (Jayco) is recalling certain model year 2016 Eagle Half Ton fifth wheels and Eagle travel trailers manufactured April 8, 2015, to February 19, 2016. In the affected trailers, the positive cable (B+) connecting the battery box to the roof-mounted solar panel preparation package may not be protected by a circuit breaker.
CONSEQUENCE:
Without circuit protection, the wire may short circuit, increasing the risk of a fire.
REMEDY:
Jayco will notify owners, and dealers will tie the unprotected circuit into a 30amp circuit breaker, free of charge. The recall began on March 18, 2016. Owners may contact Jayco customer service at 1-800-283-8267. Jayco's number for this recall is 9901286.
You got it!

I got a call back from RV Sacramento. BTW, my high expectations of them are well founded. They informed me they just got in the parts for that recall and my trailer is affected. It will take about 1hr and they booked me to come in this Thursday.

My disappointment in Jayco not talking to me was made up by RV Sacramento scheduling me so quickly to remedy this.

About the above: " In the affected trailers, the positive cable (B+) connecting the battery box to the roof-mounted solar panel preparation package may not be protected by a circuit breaker."

I am told that is why the open circuit there. Apparently yes somewhere inside my trailer that open + lead could ground itself and be a problem. However, I still suspect the wires are reversed based on my diagrams and testing posted earlier. It will just be weird to hook a single black wire in the battery box to ground and the white to + and in the cabinet the same. White to + and black to -.
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I think the most frustrating part is that the dealer isn't necessarily smarter than us, or Jayco and even worse, may just give an uninformed answer.

I did notice earlier, when I saw a recall notice that linked to the NHTSA site and decided to search, that the recall on the 2016 HT's showed up. Under that recall there is a link to "associated documents". One of these documents is "Remedy Instructions and TSB" which details the fix. The part of it that makes it related to this is that they mention red vs white for the wire to go to the breaker. White was early build, red is later builds.

Here (hopefully) is a link:

2016 JAYCO EAGLE | Safercar | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)

Also interesting is that I read in one of the documents was that the "defect"was found by a Jayco Engineer and a Vender. I wonder if the company that makes the "solar package" was brought in to figure out what was not being done correctly?
Cdash it says in the TSB that positive was either BLACK or RED depending on the build date. WHITE was still negative. So Onefastdaddy's solar is still wired backwards by someone, supposedly, smarter than us and responsible for us having a safe rig.
Oh wait, I'm wrong...that person only cared about getting the heck out of the factory by 12pm.
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I am told that is why the open circuit there. Apparently yes somewhere inside my trailer that open + lead could ground itself and be a problem. However, I still suspect the wires are reversed based on my diagrams and testing posted earlier. It will just be weird to hook a single black wire in the battery box to ground and the white to + and in the cabinet the same. White to + and black to -.
The recall procedure only directs them to take the Black or Red Wire, cut off the existing 5/16" ring terminal, attach a new 8GA terminal with #10 hole and attach it to the EXISTING 30 amp breaker ("The correct breaker will have a black wire attached to the bottom terminal").

I don't think the recall will solve your problem, but I think talking to them about what you have and haven't found may help them to dig further than just performing the recall and saying "We're done" because they followed directions.
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