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Old 04-11-2016, 02:03 PM   #61
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^^^ X2

They are going to think your black wire in the battery compartment is your positive to the taped ends (which you don't have)
And THAT black wire, you have diagnosed, is going straight to the roof negative.
Your prewire will be all f#%*d up after their TSB procedure.
And guaerenteed no one will be smart enough to know what the heck you're talking about, because they are the professionals.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:12 PM   #62
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A little off topic. But I'm curious to know what else they have hooked to that 30a breaker in the TSB picture.
My breaker is dedicated solely to the roof solar.
What happens when the other item trips the breaker then it auto resets...then keeps tripping. You would think it's your roof solar, but it could be the other item.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:16 PM   #63
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^^^ X2

They are going to think your black wire in the battery compartment is your positive to the taped ends (which you don't have)
And THAT black wire, you have diagnosed, is going straight to the roof negative.
Your prewire will be all f#%*d up after their TSB procedure.
And guaerenteed no one will be smart enough to know what the heck you're talking about, because they are the professionals.
I was just about to post that, you beat me to it.

I will be there Thursday AM and point this out. I can bring my multimeter and I may have the panel mounted up there, disconnected, and can show him in a few minutes my tests.

I just read the remedy and I was going to do that same thing myself without reading any of this based on your comments. I just replace the battery sized ring connector for a smaller one that goes right on that breaker for the front wired connector so they share the same breaker. Seems that's all the details they mention. Which makes me laugh the dealer commented "The parts just came in"...what parts? The off the shelf connector and pliers/crimper?

I'm not at all trying to bash the dealer or anyone. My goal is encourage everyone to not feel dumb or incapable of verifying things themselves. I believe that your overall experience with things like this goes up this way. Knowing how to do it right helps you choose the right people to pay and keeps you from paying the wrong people to do things the wrong way.

klassic knows this and I am way farther ahead of my trailers issues now thanks to your inputs which I appreciate very much.

Also, I still am very fond of this trailer. It's a great trailer. This is just a small issue and it's not going to sour my experience in any way. It will get resolved by RV Sacramento or me. I hope it's them but as a backup I have me. My expectation is they will listen to me and it will be resolved quickly.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:21 PM   #64
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A little off topic. But I'm curious to know what else they have hooked to that 30a breaker in the TSB picture.
My breaker is dedicated solely to the roof solar.
What happens when the other item trips the breaker then it auto resets...then keeps tripping. You would think it's your roof solar, but it could be the other item.
I was wondering about that as well. I think that 30 amp breaker that they refer to is equivalent to your 50 amp breaker (you have a 50 amp electrical setup?)

A 30 amp auto set breaker costs, what? $10? Can't believe that isn't part of the repair, but then you'd need another wire too......

So, your solar wire (red) comes from the roof, goes to the 30 amp breaker and then goes where?
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:35 PM   #65
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Daddy.. I love doing this stuff. I just wish I could get my grubby hands on your trailer with you and play back yard electrician.
Then get on your dirt bike and show you, at 50 years old, I can still do a 120' table top.

Isn't your front solar breaker a 20a? You'll need more for your 500watts

Cdash... Follow the wires on the top of the breaker. They keep skipping over to the last breaker beside the disconnect switch, that is the main 50a breaker that goes to the battery. There was never any need for the solar wire to go directly to the battery according to how my prewire was.
Thus part of my confusion as to why daddy was having trouble 30 thread pages ago.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:41 PM   #66
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klassic knows this and I am way farther ahead of my trailers issues now thanks to your inputs which I appreciate very much.
If nothing else, I would think that you are very happy you found your roof leak as a result of all of this and got it resolved before damage set in. That is worth all of it by itself.

All of this is really making me want to go tear apart my hallway wall to see what is in behind it. That is where I am guessing that my wiring goes from Red & black to white and black.

I am guess that ultimately, what happened here, is that Go Power supplies an install kit to Jayco (roof top unit and wire). Those kits had a given length of wire that wasn't long enough. Jayco supplied and possibly spliced wire to it to get it where it needed to go (battery box area). Since Go-Power convinced them that the trailer interior, nowhere near the battery, was a good place for a converter, they may have left a wire un-spliced in this location for connection to the converter. That location is different based on floor plan. In my hallway wall and in/under/behind your cabinets/microwave/fridge.

I'll be curious to see what the dealer finds in yours.

I find it interesting that my trailer was built in February, probably one of the last units that was built before this was caught and corrected, and I do NOT have red coming down from the roof into the basement, even though they say that white/black is an "early build" condition.
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I think if your dealer does not sort this out at this point I would do it myself. Grab a second set of hands and see if you can move the prewired positive that you have confirmed goes to the roof. If you can pull a new positive and negative wire from there to your roof and remove all the Jayco wiring that is useless or wired incorrectly.

Sounds like you are handy and would prefer that it is done correctly (by you) rather than let the dealer bodge it up even more.

I have a theory (speculation) not based in any fact that Go-Power or Zamp is paying Jayco to prewire units for solar so that the end user is inclined to by Go-Power or Zamp parts thinking it will be plug and play. I really doubt that Jayco did any engineering on the system and probably don't understand it well enough to help customers. Go Power just said install this on the roof and run two wires to here and put these stickers on it! Ok? Great. See ya later.

Jayco should just install a combiner box on the roof with a conduit that we can run our own wire through. Easy peasy and upgradeable & customizable for the end user.
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Old 04-11-2016, 05:02 PM   #68
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I'd really like to go riding. We sold our bikes before moving onto the boat in 2014 but I definitely have my eye on another.
Thanks for all the help, it would be great to have help here in person but I know it's a small world we will probably cross paths in person and share notes. I'm sure there's no shortage of projects in a trailer.
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Subaru, that's a good theory. My thought before you wrote that was that Jayco is paid an "incentive" to use the kits.
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If nothing else, I would think that you are very happy you found your roof leak as a result of all of this and got it resolved before damage set in. That is worth all of it by itself.

All of this is really making me want to go tear apart my hallway wall to see what is in behind it. That is where I am guessing that my wiring goes from Red & black to white and black.

I am guess that ultimately, what happened here, is that Go Power supplies an install kit to Jayco (roof top unit and wire). Those kits had a given length of wire that wasn't long enough. Jayco supplied and possibly spliced wire to it to get it where it needed to go (battery box area). Since Go-Power convinced them that the trailer interior, nowhere near the battery, was a good place for a converter, they may have left a wire un-spliced in this location for connection to the converter. That location is different based on floor plan. In my hallway wall and in/under/behind your cabinets/microwave/fridge.

I'll be curious to see what the dealer finds in yours.

I find it interesting that my trailer was built in February, probably one of the last units that was built before this was caught and corrected, and I do NOT have red coming down from the roof into the basement, even though they say that white/black is an "early build" condition.
Thank you for your reply, I will post my results for sure. FWIW Jayco replied to my eMail to them with my findings about the polarity being off with each of the locations. They were very polite and said have a dealer look at it.

Everything is on hold until Thursday. Well, I'll go ahead and mount the panel on the roof before then. I think I may only put 1 panel up there. This trailer has very modest power needs. One 250w panel and a single honda e2000i generator and the one 110A/hr battery maybe all we need for our initial tour of the Western US we have planned.
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