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Old 04-12-2016, 04:22 PM   #71
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Does the HT have room in the battery compartment for 2 batteries?
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Old 04-12-2016, 05:23 PM   #72
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Kind of, not really.....

I measured and I can put two Trojan T-105's in the existing battery compartment if I orient them 90 degrees to how you'd normally out a battery in it, but no extra room for them to be mounted IN a box. There would be about ˝" to spare before hitting the wall/door.

I'm am considering putting 2 batteries in and finding a storage box that I can cut up and put over the batteries too vent any gas. I'd place it on the batteries like a hood and connect the factory vent hose to it.

In my old 5er, I ran two group 27 "deep cells" (I use that term lightly as they were cheap batteries) that a dealer installed without any boxes. I now know that was wrong, but after 5 years of running it that way and not really caring for my batteries, nothing ever corroded or blew up. That experience makes me feel that this would be reasonable.
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Old 04-12-2016, 06:19 PM   #73
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If it's possible to line the compartment with some thin sheet metal and silicone the corners to make it somewhat "air tight" ...then make a hole in the bottom floor to the outside and put a vent in the door, you would have something like the NorthPoint/pinnacle battery compartment.
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Old 04-12-2016, 08:06 PM   #74
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Does the HT have room in the battery compartment for 2 batteries?
On my older RLS it sorta does. Can fit 2 Costco 6v. No battery box. Pieces of 2x4 and harder foam rubber to block them from sliding around. The compartment has big open areas to the outside, so no need for special vents.
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Old 04-14-2016, 03:48 PM   #75
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Ok, back from the dealer. Good and bad news. Bad first. Dealer didn't know either why the wires were crossed or where the coiled up red/black go from the roof. They would have had to run new wires as trying to find the unconnected wires would have required tearing things apart that may not go back together the same.
However, they gladly helped me out by doing a plan I had already. I have in hand one of these APS YC500A- microinverter one inverter for two solar panels. It's really cool. You plug in one, or even two panels directly to it. There's connectors for a panel on each side. 500W max total so 250w max panels into each side. Then output is 240v AC. They can also be connected together so put up two more panels by just adding one more of these YC500A. They can be bolted under the panel. 250.00 on Amazon.

So up on the roof I will do the DC to AC conversion and run romex right to the AC panel. When I looked up the AC panel (main controller) I saw it had open connectors for 120v there. So, the dealer (RV Sacramento) took no time at all to run the romex to the panel from the roof. I was surprised how well they knew this trailer and how they knew just where to run the cable. I would not have figured that out on my own.
I showed the technician/electrical guy the proposed wiring and he agreed, that will work. I was at the dealer less than an hour.

What RV Sacramento did extremely well was this:
1. They scheduled me quickly to get me in there quickly.
2. They were willing to listen to me and let me show them my situation with the reverse polarity from the roof connector.
3. They did the "recall" work in about 10min. Simple and it was just as klassic said. I had them leave the black wire and white wire unconnected in the battery area as clearly it was not wired right at Jayco when built. Who knows what's hidden inside still. Jayco won't talk about it. Nice huh? I can't fault the dealer how should they know when clearly the factory didn't put the cables where they are supposed to be. Catch 22, Jayco won't talk. Dealer doesn't know.
4. They were quick to work with me and ok'd the running of the romex for me. We found a compromise that worked out for both of us.

Win/Win. I have a single romex run from the main panel up to the roof via the refrigerator vent. Very clean. Very simple. We can go on our trip and deal with it later (the botched wired for solar roof connector/wiring).

I will post more about the wiring very soon. I really think this is the optimal way to wire up solar. The reason is because the trailer has a good DC charger for the batteries. By feeding the AC side I don't need to worry about that loop of running battery to AC then the charger in the main controller charging the battery from the AC from the battery.

So, I'm really unhappy at Jayco for completely screwing me on the solar ready wiring. I give the dealer high marks for working hard to mitigate that. They were willing to run new wires for me but it would take another visit and leaving it with them for some time. We want to hit the road. So leaving it completely as-is leaves that option open down the road during the warranty. Maybe in the meantime I can get a dealer to get Jayco to talk to them and tell them where the wires are hidden?

So, box is 250.00 and the cable was 75.00 (ouch). But this will feed my AC right off the panels via a single romex. Simple. I'll share how the wire was routed as well it's a simple run. But I'll probably do that elsewhere as it's off topic now. If I do find the wiring or Jayco talks I'll update this thread.
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Interesting approach. I have never heard of that before. I guess that is probably how residential solar is run.

I think one of the biggest benefits of going solar is getting a good solar controller to charge your batteries. A programmable one can take much better care of your batteries and charge them more efficiently than the onboard converter. Unless you upgrade the converter to something programmable and upgrade the wiring to the battery so you actually get the power to them.

Let us know how it works out. Are you planning for a more traditional solar install after your trip?
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:25 PM   #77
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@all: One catch with that YC500A ... it senses if there is current on the line and won't turn on without it. I guess to prevent back feeding during a power outage. Found this out after hooking it all up and finding no power was coming out of the YC500A up top.

So, in my case since I want it to work when I'm not connected to shore power I need to feed the AC bus the YC500A is on inverted power from the batteries. At night though or cloudy days I don't want a feedback loop with the "Converter" that will try and charge the batteries.

I know people do this. How do you all get around the loop with the batteries and the charger and the inverter? I suppose I could simply trip the breaker on the converter/charger manually. Would be nicer to do it in an automated way. Maybe relays?

Anyone think differently? Anything I'm missing?

Here's some photos from today. The brackets I made from angle aluminum from Home Depot. Cut with a hacksaw. I'm old school. Too painful and cheap to spend eighty bucks to a few hundred for ready made brackets when I can make some for a few bucks.

There are three sheet metal screws holding the bracket to the panel and 3 wood screws holding the bracket to the roof. We put down a thick bead of Silicone first for it to hold and seal. Over that when the silicone is dry I will add a top layer of self leveling roof dicor sealant over it all.
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:47 PM   #78
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Warning

Just wanted to not leave my last couple of posts there without a warning. Utility Grid and Micro-Grid (battery made AC) should never meet. That's why the solar micro-inverter turns off when the grid is off. The solution I ultimately install will be one that keeps shore power completely separated from Solar or Battery made AC.
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