2022 321RSTS and tow vehicle

dtneisner · 08-12-2022, 01:01 PM

Looking for feed back from those who are using a F-250 as a TV for the 321RSTS. Looking to hear how the combination is working for you. I am not looking for a debate on what TV should be used. I know how to do the math to tell where I am regarding payload.

hankstone · 08-12-2022, 01:52 PM

I have a 1 ton so can't answer that question.

What does the sticker on your truck say your payload is? is your truck gas or diesel? Ford diesels take a pretty big hit in payload

Bigdog · 08-12-2022, 03:48 PM

We have a 2022 RSTS with a 2018 F-250 Diesel with high capacity tow package. Hitch is B&W Companion for pucks with slider.

At first, the trailer was very bouncy on the highway but I lowered the hitch 1 inch and moved it forward 2 inches which made a huge difference. Now it feels like it’s stuck to the truck, as it should.

The truck naturally sits 3 and a half inches high in the rear. The trailer squats it 3 inches, leaving it virtually level. I’ve been very pleased with the setup so far.

I have noticed that MPG does increase when I back off from 67 to 65.

RoadrunnerII · 08-12-2022, 05:50 PM

2016 F250 6.7 screw sort box pullrite autoslider hitch.
2017 321rsts
Our truck has no rake from factory. So dead Level no lift on rear of box.
We ordered the 5th trailer haul package. Front snow plow pkg and RV package It has pucks in box. Added air bags as when hooked up truck hits the helper springs and headlights are pointing higher than we like
Air up 60 psi in bags. Bring truck back to level. I have replaced all shocks with Bilsteins.
Trailer and truck dead Level hauls that trailer no issues. Has morryde rubber pin box. Under my gvwr on truck and trailer.
It rides very smooth on decent roads.

RoadrunnerII

Pammac36 · 08-13-2022, 07:42 AM

We had a 2020 F250, 7.3 gas. Found that I only had 200 lbs of available payload once I weighed the set up when we moved up to the 321RSTS. My pin was 2300 lbs. and we had no water on board and were only packed for a weeks vacation, and onnthat first trip we didn`t have all the gear we now have in the belly. We knew this wouldn't cut it once we were packed for longer trips.

We ended up with an F350, 7.3. Now have plenty of payload (4300lbs).

Good luck, happy camping!

kirkelli · 08-13-2022, 08:01 AM

As far as a 3/4 HD Truck, i pull a 19 321 RSTS with a Ram 2500 Cummings (SB) and forget she is even back there..

Big1 · 08-13-2022, 11:04 PM

I had a 2019 321rsts towing it with a 2017 ram 2500 CCSB.

TxLoser · 08-14-2022, 07:02 AM

I’ve pulled the 2019 version of this trailer with both a 3/4 ton Chevy and a 1 ton Chevy(SRW). The 3/4 ton with sumos and 1 ton stock. Couldn’t tell the difference for the most part. Not Ford, but similar enough for comparison. Yes, on paper I was overweight with the 3/4 ton.

Troutbound1 · 08-14-2022, 12:04 PM

I have a 22rsts and tow it with a '19 f250 6.2 Gasser.
I travel pretty light pin was 2215 on last weigh.
Payload on truck is 3275

Bigdog · 08-14-2022, 01:31 PM

For those who have switched from a 250 to a 350, have you been able to feel a noticeable difference?

From what I can tell, the only differences between a 350 and a 250 with high capacity tow package is a 5th leaf spring and a recommended rear tire pressure of 80 vs 65.

Yooper906 · 08-14-2022, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hankstone

I have a 1 ton so can't answer that question.

What does the sticker on your truck say your payload is? is your truck gas or diesel? Ford diesels take a pretty big hit in payload

Diesels all take a hit on payload. Brand doesn't seem to make much difference. I've pulled 12000 lbs+ several times in Utah and Colorado with a 2500 8.1 Chevy gas and several times with a 2500 Duramax and and twice with a 2500 Ram Cummins. I'll take a diesel over gas any time. Lower rpm, less noise from a screaming gas engine and the exhaust brake is great. Plus a little better fuel mileage. DEF usage definitely goes up in the mountains. I have a lighter trailer now, around 11000 loaded.
Still kept the diesel. Anything a diesel will pull, there are gas engines that will pull good also. Just preferences.

Big1 · 08-14-2022, 11:40 PM

I couldn't tell between my 2500 to my new 3500 LB but with my 2500 diesel I was over my payload about 500lbs but I install airbag which do not increase payload.

TWP723 · 08-15-2022, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdog

For those who have switched from a 250 to a 350, have you been able to feel a noticeable difference?

From what I can tell, the only differences between a 350 and a 250 with high capacity tow package is a 5th leaf spring and a recommended rear tire pressure of 80 vs 65.

I could tell. The ride to me was completely different. My F250 bowed a bit but could handle it with the Equal-I-Zer hitch. When I hitched to my 350, it moved about an honest 2 inches and that's it. I had airbags on my 250 as I do with my 350. They make a difference as well. There's gonna be ride and towing differences between the two, the 350 outshines the 3/4 ton.

hankstone · 08-15-2022, 08:13 AM

From what I was researching when looking for a new truck, the Fords don't change anything on suspension with a diesel, but GM beefs up the front end to keep the payload up there...

Best to be doing the math on tongue weight vs your payload (don't forget to include stuff you added to your truck and passengers, other stuff you load).

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Originally Posted by Yooper906

Diesels all take a hit on payload. Brand doesn't seem to make much difference. I've pulled 12000 lbs+ several times in Utah and Colorado with a 2500 8.1 Chevy gas and several times with a 2500 Duramax and and twice with a 2500 Ram Cummins. I'll take a diesel over gas any time. Lower rpm, less noise from a screaming gas engine and the exhaust brake is great. Plus a little better fuel mileage. DEF usage definitely goes up in the mountains. I have a lighter trailer now, around 11000 loaded.
Still kept the diesel. Anything a diesel will pull, there are gas engines that will pull good also. Just preferences.

Bigdog · 08-15-2022, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TWP723

I could tell. The ride to me was completely different. My F250 bowed a bit but could handle it with the Equal-I-Zer hitch. When I hitched to my 350, it moved about an honest 2 inches and that's it. I had airbags on my 250 as I do with my 350. They make a difference as well. There's gonna be ride and towing differences between the two, the 350 outshines the 3/4 ton.

Thanks for the information. I’m just not sure how those minor differences between vehicles make the ride completely different.

Maybe it is the high capacity tow package combined with a couple of hitch adjustments that allows the 250 to sit level under load without any modification needed on the vehicle.

TWP723 · 08-15-2022, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdog

Thanks for the information. I’m just not sure how those minor differences between vehicles make the ride completely different.

Maybe it is the high capacity tow package combined with a couple of hitch adjustments that allows the 250 to sit level under load without any modification needed on the vehicle.

The newer 3/4's seem to be beefed up a bit from earlier years. But the payload cap stayed close to the same. A little higher from prior years but not much.

Bigdog · 08-15-2022, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TWP723

The newer 3/4's seem to be beefed up a bit from earlier years. But the payload cap stayed close to the same. A little higher from prior years but not much.

Yes, starting in 2020 you can get a 250 with a gvwr of 10,800 even though there doesn’t appear to be any physical changes to the vehicle. That amount had been capped at 10k for the 3/4 ton for as long as I can remember.

I think a couple of things are at play here. The 10k limit may be an intentional derating on paper to get the vehicle within a certain weight class which avoids additional fees and licensing requirements in many states.

Then the recent weight rating increase could be in response to an increase by a competitor.

It’s a very interesting topic to research as there doesn’t seem to be a clear reason why the manufacturers continue to market two vehicles (250/350) that are virtually identical.

But to answer the original question again, a properly equipped 250 will haul the 321 around like a champ.

Jon · 08-17-2022, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dtneisner

Looking for feed back from those who are using a F-250 as a TV for the 321RSTS. Looking to hear how the combination is working for you. I am not looking for a debate on what TV should be used. I know how to do the math to tell where I am regarding payload.

I towed a 2017 321RSTS with a stock Chevy 3500 HD standard bed for 4 years, and it towed like a dream.

Benandtina · 08-17-2022, 01:50 PM

I towed a 317 rlok with a 2500 duramax and it did great. I now tow it with a 3500 ram drw. The main difference is the stability of the ride. A single rear wheel truck doesn't compare to a dually.

tmlhart · 08-18-2022, 10:15 AM

We have towed our 321rsts over 10 thousand miles all around the west and south to texas. Our f250 diesel pulls it easily and really makes an easy trip. Ours has the camper pgk and tow pgk. It will also stop our trailer without any issues. Just a nice set up. By the way the water tank is in the rear on our trailer (2018) and will actually decrease pin weight when filled. This was verified by our jayco dealer when a friend of mine had a concern on that.

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