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Old 06-21-2017, 03:35 PM   #21
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Just thought I would add my 2 cents. We currently tow a 10,000 lb TT with an 09 Silverado 2500 HD V8 Vortec,6 speed 4:10 gears,tow pkg,plow pkg, Z71 pkg ext. cab. We travel mostly in New England and don't even notice the trailer is there. We are upgrading to a 27.5 RKDS FW. We will take the same care with setting up the new camper to be towed as we did with our TT. The new FW weighs about the same, i.e. GVWR, as our TT. We are not overloading the truck. Too many people overload their TV and put themselves and everyone on the roads with them in danger. One needs to ask the question, Is it worth it????
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Just went to the Ford page to build that F-150 HDPP thing and it cost just as much as my Ram 2500 with the same options..... Unicorn for sure.
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Old 06-21-2017, 04:52 PM   #23
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I have the same trailer. My trailer was 7600lbs +/- off the dealer lot. With some water and stuff for a week I wasn't too far from max payload on my TV, and the 3/4 ton handled it beautifully. I used to pull a slightly lighter 6500 lbs loaded travel trailer with a Tundra and it was no fun. I for sure wouldn't pull this with a 1/2 ton if you had the means to do otherwise. You're not going to be menace on the highway or anything doing it, but it won't be a relaxed experience.

One more thing for all the numbers crunchers out there. Towing with a 1/2 ton near max payload and a 3/4 ton near max payload is two completely different experiences. I've done both. Its not always black and white with the numbers. Referring to low payload numbers on diesel 3/4.


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Old 06-21-2017, 05:32 PM   #24
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Buy a 1-ton diesel set the cruise on 65 and don't look back.


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Old 06-21-2017, 08:06 PM   #25
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Hi dksmith,
I just wanted to chime in and give my thoughts. I just purchased the same 5th wheel about 3 weeks ago.
I upgraded my tv last summer after looking at purchasing a new camper and too was told that a my 1500 could handle a fifth wheel no problem by the dealer, I wasn't convinced. I purchased a 2500 Ram with the 6.4 Hemi and it really tows the 26.5BHS like a dream. There is no way my 1500 Ram would handle the same way as this truck does.
In my opinion you don't need a slider hitch unless you really want the peace of mind. I have one but doubt I will ever need it.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:52 PM   #26
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I've been towing RV's since I was 16. I'm 66 now - you do the math. I've towed with everything from a Ford Fairlane station wagon to an International Harvester SUV beast.

I now have a 26.5RLS (same size and weight as the BHS).
I tow it with a 2016 F150 Lariat max tow with the 3.5 Ecobeast.
I've been hauling that rig around for 2 years now including multi-week cross country roadtrips.
Except for a minor problem with the Jayco's brakes - which are now fixed - I have NEVER felt uncomfortable, unstable, overloaded, underpowered or had problems stopping.

Just sayin . . .
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Old 06-22-2017, 03:55 PM   #27
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I fall in a different place in this argument. I grew up pulling way too heavy trailers with a vehicle that shouldn't have been up to it. Nothing bad ever happened.

So can you pull with a F-150? Sure. Many people do and some end up installing Timbrens or Air bags to help with the rear squat that occurs from being over your payload limit. I see people double towing with F-150's. A shorter fifth wheel with a good sized fishing boat. All seemed to be in control and motoring down the highway.

As far as braking, personally, I think it's a wash. A F-150 weighs quite a bit less than a 250 or 350, which means its isn't trying to stop as much weight. With properly adjusted trailer brakes, I would expect reasonable performance.

With all that said, I tow a 285BHS with a F-350 Crew Cab. I love driving my truck and pulling the trailer with it is pretty stress free. Handles like it isn't even there.

If you move to a heavier vehicle for capacity, why not get the F-350 (Single rear wheel) and get more? It is only a few hundred more dollars than the 250. Some will say that the 250 and the 350 are the same truck with different numbers on the door, or that a F-350 rides too much stiffer. If the first is true, the second can't be true and vice versa. Others will complain about spending an extra $500 on a $60,000 truck pulling a $30,000 trailer.

In the end, I am happy with what i have and hope that you end up happy with what you get!
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Old 06-23-2017, 12:25 PM   #28
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HDPP F150 vs 250 6.2 Gas and 6.7PSD

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Just went to the Ford page to build that F-150 HDPP thing and it cost just as much as my Ram 2500 with the same options..... Unicorn for sure.

From the Ford build page you would have received the MSRP, which stands for Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. FYI, very few people actually pay this price for a brand new vehicle and if you did you may want to do a little more negotiating on your next Fiat. Here is a link to an out the door selling price of a nicely equipped XLT HDPP Supercrew at $44,999.00 Canadian which would convert to $33250.00 U.S. at today's exchange rate.

http://www.hannafords.ca/new-inventory/index.htm?listingConfigId=auto-new&model=F-150&bodyStyle=Super+Crew&trim=*0%25+72+MONTHS%21*S UPER+CREW+XLT*H.D.PKG*4X4+5.0L+V8&internetPrice=&s tart=0&sort=&facetbrowse=true&searchLinkText=SEARC H&showFacetCounts=true&showRadius=false&showSubmit =true&showSelections=true

If you got a brand new Cummins equipped Ram for $33,250, the price must have really dropped based on the last 10 years of being rated the least reliable vehicle by Consumer Reports and others, so you get what you pay for, or the information you posted is misleading.

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If you move to a heavier vehicle for capacity, why not get the F-350 (Single rear wheel) and get more? It is only a few hundred more dollars than the 250. Some will say that the 250 and the 350 are the same truck with different numbers on the door, or that a F-350 rides too much stiffer. If the first is true, the second can't be true and vice versa. Others will complain about spending an extra $500 on a $60,000 truck pulling a $30,000 trailer.

In the end, I am happy with what i have and hope that you end up happy with what you get!
Agree with you CDash, but using this logic shouldn't everybody contemplating a SRW 250/350 pay a few hundred more to go to DRW for additional safety and stability while towing ? A DRW will certainly have shorter stopping distances while towing than a SRW 350/250/150 with 50% more rubber in contact with the road ? On a side note, based on experience I hate following anything that is double towing in a strong wind regardless of the numbers on the side of the truck.

For towing comparison, all of the following are similarly equipped 2017 Ford XLT trucks. The model with the 3.5 non-Eco V6 has a rated payload capacity of 1435lbs, per the payload sticker.
New 2017 Ford F-150 *0% 72 MONTHS!*SUPER CREW XLT 4X4 3.5L V6 GAS

Adding HDPP to a V8/Eco equipped F150 adds $1850 Canadian to the MSRP cost and will increase payload by about 600 lbs. For the Screw XLT 4X4 posted above, payload is 2460 lbs which can be verified by the photo of the payload sticker in the link above.

A gas F250 is not the same price, at least in Canada, as an HDPP F150 and will cost $10k to $11k Canadian more for a similarly equipped truck, which can also be verified with the above link, and will give you additional payload of approximately 600lbs at 3008lbs. Adding the 6.7PSD adds another $9k above that price but has 200 lbs less payload than the HDPP F150, which again can be verified by the pictured door pillar stickers. With Ford, I believe you get what you pay for with double the torque of the diesels, with a gas F250, I am not sure you get value for $$ unless your application absolutely requires an extra 25% payload and I would never criticize someone for deciding to spend their money on a gas F250. With the extremely limited payloads of the Fiat 1500's there really aren't the same options or debate.

It should be patently obvious that not all half-tons are the same and a F150 with 1435 lbs of payload is not going have the same unloaded ride nor deliver the same towing experience as an HDPP F150 with 2460 lbs payload or an F250 with double the payload.

Remember, all of these vehicles since 2015, received their tow ratings based on the SAE J2807 towing standard, and NO the pounds used for rating the HD trucks are not heavier than those used to rate half-tons.
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Old 06-23-2017, 03:45 PM   #29
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Agree with you CDash, but using this logic shouldn't everybody contemplating a SRW 250/350 pay a few hundred more to go to DRW for additional safety and stability while towing ? A DRW will certainly have shorter stopping distances while towing than a SRW 350/250/150 with 50% more rubber in contact with the road ?
My response to that is that the dually is physically larger which brings a downside with the extra capacity. In my, and I suspect many others cases, driving a dually for daily purposes would bring some inconvenience that may not be worth the extra capacity.

Driving a 250 vs a SRW 350 is similar, if not exactly the same.
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Old 06-23-2017, 07:09 PM   #30
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Ottawasteve, I think in the reality you live in there is no need for 3/4 ton trucks, but I can assure you that a f-250 with a 6.7l will tow way more comfortable than the f-150 with the hdpp. If you maxed out the f-150 and "over loaded" the f-250 with the same weight I would bet money the f-250 with the 6.7l will be much more comfortable and stable. There is no way a truck with a lesser breaking system, lesser motor/trans combo, lesser frame, and smaller axles can be better.
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Old 06-24-2017, 06:10 PM   #31
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Why are you linking naturally aspirated gas engines when you were talking about the ecoboost? I looked up the f-150 scrw ecoboost pricing and that's what i was saying was the unicorn. I understand you don't pay MSRP for any vehicle and thanks for the FIAT reference...
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Old 09-22-2017, 09:29 PM   #32
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Hello!

Newbie here to the fifth wheel world. For various reasons I am working backwards and matching my tow vehicle to what unit we decide to go with.

I asked for advice from the dealer and he is actually pushing me to a half ton. I just want relatively safe (kids) and headache free and am not brand loyal.

Does anyone have a preferred TV/hitch setup for a 26.5BHS?
I didn't go through the whole thread yet but wanted to tell you story. I just got a 26.5bhs and I tow it with a Chevy 2500Hd diesel short box crew cab 4x4 z71. When I put it across the scale with a full tank and just me I was left with 1800lbs of cargo and pin weight. Once I got the trailer loaded and the wife and two teenage kids I was over the 10k lbs limit by almost 700 pounds. I could probably move stuff around and drop the pin weight a bit. I do not consider this a half ton towable trailer unless it is just you and the dog.
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Old 09-23-2017, 03:16 AM   #33
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I vote for a 3/4ton or better.
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