377RLBH Tow Vehicle???

[bowler1]

Hi,
I am thinking of getting a 377RLBH. What do you tow yours with, and is it enough truck? Do you know the actual pin weight of yours when LOADED?

I really don't want a dually. I am looking to buy a 2018 F-350 diesel with the Lariat package. Max payload is about 3200. I will only be carrying myself and minimal gear in the truck, but with an advertised pin weight of 2700 pounds I will be close to the max. Not sure how much the ACTUAL loaded pin weight will be but that may push me over the limit.

thanks
Matt

[T&M_Texas]

Originally Posted by bowler1

Hi,
I am thinking of getting a 377RLBH. What do you tow yours with, and is it enough truck? Do you know the actual pin weight of yours when LOADED?

I really don't want a dually. I am looking to buy a 2018 F-350 diesel with the Lariat package. Max payload is about 3200. I will only be carrying myself and minimal gear in the truck, but with an advertised pin weight of 2700 pounds I will be close to the max. Not sure how much the ACTUAL loaded pin weight will be but that may push me over the limit.

thanks
Matt

I pull my 2018 377RLBH with a 2015 F-350 Dually. No problem towing at all. I cruise at 70 to 75 on flat land. Logged approx. 8K to 10K miles the summer of 2017, including towing in the big rocks. It's still stock and not deleted or programed. I personally prefer a dually when towing a trailer approx. this size. In my opinion the duals reduce tire sway. Actually the ride is smother loaded. Pics of my rig hooked up in my profile.

[Doubleheader]

Well, you’ll get all kinds of opinions on this, but I wouldn’t worry about it. Yes you may bump the payload but not by much. I have a 2500 series Ram and my payload is 2300 as I recall. My dry pin is 1900. One on the reasons I went with an Anderson hitch.


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[Lowmiler]

2018 377, using a Reese Goose Box, I’m at 2,940lbs pin with a 14,700lbs loaded weight. No gen set or washer/dryer in master closet.

This is really a dually class 5er, in my opinion. Others here, with more loaded up rigs, have reported close to 4,000lbs pin weight.

[Magnolia Tom]

Bowler

Couple of things to consider. Your actual payload of the truck will probably be different than what is on any brochure. It could be more or less depending on the options on the truck.
My dry weight of trailer was 13,700. I’m probably at 15000 loaded. Yours should be similar.
If you use the 20% rule, you get 3000 pounds on the pin. Add a hitch and you’re easily at 3200 without any cargo or gear in the truck. Could you go over a couple hundred pounds? Sure. But, only you can determine your risk/comfort factor. Others may chime in saying you’ll get fined, tickets, kill our kids, deplete the ozone, etc. for being overloaded. I’m not one of those people.
I used to tow a similar size/weight trailer with an F250. I did it because the truck had 3000 cargo capacity. It had the camper package, and the extra overload spring so it was a 1 ton without the badging. Also added airbags. We used to always camp within 150 miles from home. So it was never a problem (all flat terrain near Houston). But, once we took longer trips and trips to terrain with some mountains, I was no longer comfortable with it. Too much trailer behind too little truck. That’s when I got a dually and never looked back.

Like I said, you could do it, and as long as you travel with minimal gear in the truck you’ll be fine. But, a trailer that big has a lot of mass and momentum behind you so a dually would be your best option...especially when things change. If you are no longer packing as light, or you have family or guests with you, or you take it up and down some mountain passes, you won’t be worrying about weight with a dually. JMHO


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[Bookemdanno]

Originally Posted by Magnolia Tom

Bowler

Couple of things to consider. Your actual payload of the truck will probably be different than what is on any brochure. It could be more or less depending on the options on the truck.
My dry weight of trailer was 13,700. I’m probably at 15000 loaded. Yours should be similar.
If you use the 20% rule, you get 3000 pounds on the pin. Add a hitch and you’re easily at 3200 without any cargo or gear in the truck. Could you go over a couple hundred pounds? Sure. But, only you can determine your risk/comfort factor. Others may chime in saying you’ll get fined, tickets, kill our kids, deplete the ozone, etc. for being overloaded. I’m not one of those people.
I used to tow a similar size/weight trailer with an F250. I did it because the truck had 3000 cargo capacity. It had the camper package, and the extra overload spring so it was a 1 ton without the badging. Also added airbags. We used to always camp within 150 miles from home. So it was never a problem (all flat terrain near Houston). But, once we took longer trips and trips to terrain with some mountains, I was no longer comfortable with it. Too much trailer behind too little truck. That’s when I got a dually and never looked back.

Like I said, you could do it, and as long as you travel with minimal gear in the truck you’ll be fine. But, a trailer that big has a lot of mass and momentum behind you so a dually would be your best option...especially when things change. If you are no longer packing as light, or you have family or guests with you, or you take it up and down some mountain passes, you won’t be worrying about weight with a dually. JMHO


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I’m of the same opinion as Tom. I towed our 377 with a 2500 when we 1st purchased the 377. The 2500 has airbags to level the load and would haul the 377 without issue on close to home trips. I then towed the 377 to the panhandle of FL and back to N TX....it was very windy on that trip. That was when I decided that we needed a dually. I have yet to have an uncomfortable feeling towing with the dually.

So I’m saying that you can do it, but might not find it unpleasant as you venture further out from home. Yes you’ll be over on your payload (I was by ALOT, but not any longer). I say if you already have the 3500 srw give it a try, if you are still looking to purchase, I recommend going straight for the dually. Don’t do what I did and have to eat some depreciation on a single wheel and have to upgrade to a dually.

Good luck with your decision and most of all have fun with your family!


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[Jamie846]

Pull mine with a dually and that is what I would recommend. The 377 is a big unit. My pin weight is right at 4k with total trailer weight of just over 15k and a GCW of 23600. I do have onan generator in front compartment but do not have washer/dryer in my unit.

Good luck on your decision. Dually's are not that bad to park and most people just get out of your way when they see you coming. [emoji16][emoji577]

[Cannon]

I use to pull a 43' toy hauler over 16,000 lbs with a 3500 single wheel dodge. I now pull with a dually and the main difference I can tell is in the mountains. The single felt like it wanted to push the rear end around going thru sharp curves. The dually seems more stable and safe.

[RedHorse1]

Very interesting thread, I’ve been wondering what is pulling the 377’s. I looked at one at the Houston RV show (very nice 5th) and kinda extrapolated the sticker weight to a “loaded” weight. My guess is it’ll tip the scale around 16k#. Looking at my 350 axle weights and ratings I’d expect to be a bit over the rear axle rating. I’ve noted there’s several being pulled with 3/4T and some of the F250’s have been upgraded with the 350 springs. Lots of duallys are pulling them too and I think the 377 is really in dually territory.
That said, I met a guy this past summer pulling a 16k# toy hauler with a 150.

[2naEagle]

That is a lot of trailer for that truck.
Is a dually out of the question for you? It was for me. With that being said I think you can do it and do it safely but you will need to do some things to the truck to get every once out of it.

[Cflowers]

Dually is the way to go in my opinion. Trailer is a heavy one.

[RayPayne]

I’m around 4K on the pin. With a washer dryer. No generator. But there is a much larger than normal battery bank in that with inverters and controllers. If you had a generator I assume it would be a bit heavier. I do have a lot of heavier stuff filling the front storage area so I may be a bit heavier than average on pin weight without the generator. For me that meant a dually was the only TV option.

[Kahoneys]

We have the Chevy 3500 SRW and just got back pulling from Minnesota to Orlando and back in all kinds of weather and had no issues what so ever. Handled strong 40+ mph wind great. I drive my vehicle a lot for work and a dually will not fit in my garage and so went with the SRW. I know I'm in the minority and people on this forum will yell at me but it works great and I'm under my load limits.

[bzeller]

I’m in a ‘17 F350. I’m prob a few hundred lbs over payload when everything is said and done but no issues thus far.


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[Donna]

1ton diesel dully...... Go big or stay home! Lol

[vcbice]

How much towing will you be doing? How much bad weather will you be towing in? Mountains?

Yes, a SRW truck might meet the requriements, but, I'd want a dually in that size range. If I was just towing it up to the lake for weekends or using it twice a year to get to my winter home area, then a SRW would be considered.

Also might depend on how you load it. It is easy for us to get 2000lb or more of stuff into our trailer when we go on a long trip. A lot of that is pin weight.

We stayed with a smaller/lighter trailer just because I did not want a bigger truck.

[MadJoker TX]

I agree with magnolia Tom and Danno , I also pull with a 17 F350 Dually. She is a big one and having an extra set of rubber on the ground is very comforting.


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[prm99v6]

2015 F450. At least I will be. Mines being built. The dually 350 actually has a higher payload on paper because Ford kept both trucks with a 14,000 GVWR. The F450 is running a Dana 130 rear compared to a Dana 80 (I think) in the 350.


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[Slurugger]

In a perfect world I'd buy dually and tow it with that. This is the real world and SRW is what I must have to get into parking spots for work. I have a 2015 F250 daily driver that tows it well and I've never had any issues, including long trips. We did have one day where there were significant cross winds and it did bump us around some but I've never encountered actual trailer sway. We have air bags so she sits level and rides nice.

Remember, generally speaking the SRW F250 and SRW F350 are the same except for a larger block and extra overload spring.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-question.html

[Summitstev]

I originally spec'd a 3500 SRW for our 2016 NP - but due to production delays and our need to have a truck to move our trailer - I ended up purchising a 3500 DRW - and have been extremely happy I have the DRW -
Here is my info from the scales -

Tow Vehicle – 2017 Ram 3500, dually, diesel, crew cab, long bed, 4x4 – factory Mopar 25K hitch
Trailer – 2016 Northpoint 377RLBH – no generator – GVWR = 16,500

TV – Factory sticker info
• GAWR / Front – 6000 lbs
• GAWR / Rear – 9750 Lbs
• GVWR – 14,000 Lbs
• Max cargo – 5477 Lbs

TV – Cat Scale Ticket – full fuel tank, me, DW and some stuff we keep in the cab when traveling
• Steer Axle – 5180 Lbs
• Drive Axle – 3900 Lbs
• Total Axle – 9080 lbs
Truck measurements
• Top of bed height / Empty = 60 Inches
• Front bumper height / Empty = 33 Inches

TV / Trailer – Cat Scale Ticket
• Steer Axle – 5300 Lbs
• Drive Axle – 7520 Lbs
• Trailer Axle – 11,820 Lbs
• Gross Weight – 24,640 Lbs
Truck measurements
• Top of bed height / with trailer = 54 Inches
• Front bumper height / with trailer = 33 Inches

Based on my calculations, I come up with the following:
• Actual Pin Weight / 7520 – 3900 = 3620 Lbs
• % on pin / 3620 / 15440 * 100 = 23.4 %
• Total Trailer Weight / 3620 + 11,820 = 15,440 Lbs
• Weight under trailer GVWR / 16,500 – 15,440 = 1060 Lbs