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Old 02-25-2016, 11:57 AM   #31
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Similar questions about hitch/pin box combos

Totally new 5er here and I have similar questions but a. I don't want to hijack the thread and b.) I don't want to start a new one with the same questions and get chastised!

So, my tow vehicle is a 2015 Ram 2500 4X4, 6.4 bed with the OEM gooseneck/5th wheel tow package. We're getting ready to order a 2016 Eagle 317RLOK and we're in the same situation regarding hitches/pin boxes etc. We want to do it right from the start and everything I'm reading about sliders is: they're a pain, people forget and do some cab damage, they're never used, and so on. So Jayco has the Reese Revolution 90 as an option to avoid the short box issues but after reading this thread I'm starting to rethink that because of all the chucking issues mentioned with that pinbox. I also have issues with getting sick with too much bouncing around so I'm looking for some advice.

I've looked at pairing the revolution with the B&W Companion which basically drops into the factory pucks or the Reese RP30160, which again, drops right in. This combo looks like it's less hassle although more expensive. So, any help with some combo recommendations for a short box that would reduce chucking/shaking etc. would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 02-25-2016, 12:39 PM   #32
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Okay now I'm confused! I have a 2012 Chevy 2500 Duramax with a B&M gooseneck ball. We are looking at the Jayco Eagle 325BHQS. I was thinking about getting a B&M companion for the hitch. Am I hearing correctly that the ride will be rough unless you change out the pin box with an Mor-Ryd or an Airborne. That seems to be an added expense after paying around a $1,000 for the Companion. Am I missing something?
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:40 PM   #33
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If you order your 325BHQS, the Mor-Ryde pin box MSRP option is $637.00 IMO you should pay about $450 + tax. You will need to be the judge if it's worth the money or not.

This video although biased because it was produced by Mor-Ryde was the convincing factor for me to order my 323LKTS with the Mor-Ryde Pin Box.
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:13 PM   #34
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Totally new 5er here and I have similar questions but a. I don't want to hijack the thread and b.) I don't want to start a new one with the same questions and get chastised!

So, my tow vehicle is a 2015 Ram 2500 4X4, 6.4 bed with the OEM gooseneck/5th wheel tow package. We're getting ready to order a 2016 Eagle 317RLOK and we're in the same situation regarding hitches/pin boxes etc. We want to do it right from the start and everything I'm reading about sliders is: they're a pain, people forget and do some cab damage, they're never used, and so on. So Jayco has the Reese Revolution 90 as an option to avoid the short box issues but after reading this thread I'm starting to rethink that because of all the chucking issues mentioned with that pinbox. I also have issues with getting sick with too much bouncing around so I'm looking for some advice.

I've looked at pairing the revolution with the B&W Companion which basically drops into the factory pucks or the Reese RP30160, which again, drops right in. This combo looks like it's less hassle although more expensive. So, any help with some combo recommendations for a short box that would reduce chucking/shaking etc. would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
You should look into the Sidewinder/5th Airbourne combo pin if you don't want a slider.
I rarely use my slider, but one day I'm going to forget and I won't have a back window.

The money you save not getting the slider and not getting the MorRyde will probably come close to the Sidewinder. Plus your hitch will be much lighter too.

I had the just the 5th Airbourne on my previous unit and there was very little chucking.
I have the MorRyde on my current unit and if its reducing the chucking, then driving with out it would be near impossible.
I don't understand the hype of the MorRyde. Maybe mines broken. It stinks
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Totally new 5er here and I have similar questions but a. I don't want to hijack the thread and b.) I don't want to start a new one with the same questions and get chastised!

So, my tow vehicle is a 2015 Ram 2500 4X4, 6.4 bed with the OEM gooseneck/5th wheel tow package. We're getting ready to order a 2016 Eagle 317RLOK and we're in the same situation regarding hitches/pin boxes etc. We want to do it right from the start and everything I'm reading about sliders is: they're a pain, people forget and do some cab damage, they're never used, and so on. So Jayco has the Reese Revolution 90 as an option to avoid the short box issues but after reading this thread I'm starting to rethink that because of all the chucking issues mentioned with that pinbox. I also have issues with getting sick with too much bouncing around so I'm looking for some advice.

I've looked at pairing the revolution with the B&W Companion which basically drops into the factory pucks or the Reese RP30160, which again, drops right in. This combo looks like it's less hassle although more expensive. So, any help with some combo recommendations for a short box that would reduce chucking/shaking etc. would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
Make sure it's the Ram setup for starters on the hitch or get the frame adapter and you will have more options. I would also look at the Reese Elite Airborne Sidewinder which will give you cushion against chucking.
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We pull our 5th with a SB 350 using a B&W Companion non-slide. My insurance co spent $500 for me to learn that I shoulda got a slider. I haven't ,but am cautious when turning. That said, the 5ths I saw at the show this year seemed to have more rounded caps that "maybe" would allow tight turns with short beds and non sliders. Last I looked a pin like the Sidewinder was discouraged by B&W. I still have the B&W and plan to keep it. If I were to start over I'd get a slider, prolly manual.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:02 PM   #37
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Totally new 5er here and I have similar questions but a. I don't want to hijack the thread and b.) I don't want to start a new one with the same questions and get chastised!

So, my tow vehicle is a 2015 Ram 2500 4X4, 6.4 bed with the OEM gooseneck/5th wheel tow package. We're getting ready to order a 2016 Eagle 317RLOK and we're in the same situation regarding hitches/pin boxes etc. We want to do it right from the start and everything I'm reading about sliders is: they're a pain, people forget and do some cab damage, they're never used, and so on. So Jayco has the Reese Revolution 90 as an option to avoid the short box issues but after reading this thread I'm starting to rethink that because of all the chucking issues mentioned with that pinbox. I also have issues with getting sick with too much bouncing around so I'm looking for some advice.

I've looked at pairing the revolution with the B&W Companion which basically drops into the factory pucks or the Reese RP30160, which again, drops right in. This combo looks like it's less hassle although more expensive. So, any help with some combo recommendations for a short box that would reduce chucking/shaking etc. would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

I have a 2014 ram 3500 with b&w Rock 3600 hitch (for the ram pucks). I use a sidewinder (revolution) with it and it works good. I get some chucking on concrete expansion joints but otherwise I don't get much. I had to take my mor ryde pinbox off to do this. I love the b&w hitch as it is of the highest quality with great jaws. I could not get a 5th airborne revolution as the biggest they had was 16k and I needed more. However, if u had a dually (more payload capacity) I would seriously look at the ts3 hitch. It's awfully heavy and pricey but from all accounts it works fantastic. And it would work with any camper since the hitch stays with the truck and is not specific to a camper like a pinbox can be
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Also, b&w does not recommend using their companion hitch with a sidewinder/revolution but they are ok with using their puck hitch (rvk 3600) with a sidewinder:revolution because there is no way the puck hitch can twist or turn due to the four locking tabs (vs being attached via a single point on the turnover ball)
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Thanks everyone for all the helpful comments.

Its looking more and more like it will be the B&W Companion OEM 5th Wheel Hitch for Ram Towing Prep Package - Dual Jaw - 25,000 lbs, BWRVK3600, and the 5th Airborne Premium 5th Wheel Air Ride King Pin w/ Sidewinder and Turret - 16,000 lbs, RP61422.
I'm still waiting on an answer about compatibility because on the Etrailer website it says:

Note: Do not use the 5th Airborne Sidewinder with any of the following:
  • Curt Q5 5th-wheel trailer hitch
  • PullRite SuperGlide 5th-wheel trailer hitch
  • Reese Trail Boss 5th-wheel trailer hitch
  • B&W 5th-wheel trailer hitch

So, does that comment about the B&W 5th-wheel trailer hitch mean the B&W Companion RVK3600? Theres a special specific wedge sold: SWW-06, 5th Airborne Custom Wedge for B&W Fifth Wheels, so it's somewhat confusing. Hey, but this is a challenge so I'm loving it!
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Thanks everyone for all the helpful comments.

Its looking more and more like it will be the B&W Companion OEM 5th Wheel Hitch for Ram Towing Prep Package - Dual Jaw - 25,000 lbs, BWRVK3600, and the 5th Airborne Premium 5th Wheel Air Ride King Pin w/ Sidewinder and Turret - 16,000 lbs, RP61422.
I'm still waiting on an answer about compatibility because on the Etrailer website it says:

Note: Do not use the 5th Airborne Sidewinder with any of the following:
  • Curt Q5 5th-wheel trailer hitch
  • PullRite SuperGlide 5th-wheel trailer hitch
  • Reese Trail Boss 5th-wheel trailer hitch
  • B&W 5th-wheel trailer hitch

So, does that comment about the B&W 5th-wheel trailer hitch mean the B&W Companion RVK3600? Theres a special specific wedge sold: SWW-06, 5th Airborne Custom Wedge for B&W Fifth Wheels, so it's somewhat confusing. Hey, but this is a challenge so I'm loving it!
Contact b&w or ettailer directly. You CAN use the ram puck b&w with the sidewinder/revolution. B&w website has a thing about this also. I spoke with both before I chose mine and it's all good
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