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Old 07-13-2015, 08:30 PM   #1
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Anyone using a 2500 Duramax to pull '15 375BHFS?

Just looking to see if any members happen to be using a 2500 Silverado Duramax to pull a 2015 Eagle Premier 375BHFS or maybe even a 2016 North Point?

The dry hitch weight is 2550 and the payload capacity of the 2500 HD Crew is about 2800.

I know it's testing the limitations of the truck, but im curious to hear from anyone that tows with this configuration to see if you have done anything to the truck. Ie Helper Springs, airbags, etc.
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Just from the numbers you've posted I'd expect you to be a bit over. I'd suggest you load up and visit the scales. You'll then know how much payload you have left. Subtract about 100# for a hitch. Add about 800-1000# to the TT advertised weight and multiply by 0.15 (15%). If that's less than the remaining rear axle cargo then you're good to go. If it's more then you takes your chances.
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I echo what red horse said. The hitch weight on that unit is likely more than the catalog listed dry weight. With a fifth wheel plate, hitch weight some gear and passengers you will be over 2800 lbs.
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:03 PM   #4
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I was pushing the limit with my ram 2500 and a 30.5rls. ( 1800 lb tongue weight) and went up to a 3500..... And still added airbags
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:34 PM   #5
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A buddy of mine is pulling his 2013 36KPTS Pinnacle with a 2014 GMC 2500HD Crew Cab w/ the Duramax.
His Pinnacle is spec'd at 2,485 Dry Hitch Weight, I don't know what the dry hitch weight is identified from the factory (i.e., on the yellow sticker).
He added an extra leaf spring to the rear, which help eliminate much of the sag in the back end.

I had a 2006 2500HD Crew Cab with the Duramax, but opted to trade it in for a 2014 3500HD Crew Cab with the Duramax when we purchased our 2015 Eagle Premier.

What convinced me that I had to got to the 3500 is I took my 2500 to a CAT scale and weighed it so I knew exactly what my capacity was both cargo & rear axle. Based on the 2006 GVWR figures, I would have ended up 1,800# over GVWR with the Eagle Premier based on added weight of a hitch and loaded pin weight. Your loaded pin weight could be 200# over the actual dry weight.

Also take into account if you're using the spec'd dry hitch weight from a brochure, that weight does not include weight from added options, which could add an addition 100+# to the dry hitch weight. For example, for my trailer, the spec'd dry hitch weight is 2,475#, it came in as 2,565 #.

Here's what my calculation turned out to be with my 2006 2500HD.
My 2006 2500 had a GVWR of 9,200#
It weighed 7,980 # (full tank loaded as would be for a camping trip - but no fifth wheel hitch)
Add 250 # for PullRight Hitch
Add 2,565 Trailer Dry Hitch Weight
Add 200 # for loaded hitch weight
The added weight totaled 3,015#
Total truck weight would then be 10,995 - I would have been overloading my 2006 2500 by 1,795 #

The GRAWR was 6,084#
Rear Axle weight was 3,580
That left 2,504# rear axle capacity.
If all the added weight is on the rear axle, I would have been overloading the rear axle by 511 #.

You didn't say what year your 2500 is, but I agree with RedHorse1 and the other's, you would be pushing the limits. Take it to a scale loaded as it would be if you were pulling the trailer and see what you actual capacity is. If you don't have a fifth wheel hitch in the bed of the truck now, don't forget to add the weight of the hitch to the weight of the truck. My PullRight hitch adds 250#. Take the truck weight against the trucks GVWR and also take the rear axle weight against the GRAWR for your turck. Look at both of these values and it will tell you the true story.

FYI - I'm very glade I got the 3500, not just for the extra capacity, but the 2014 has a lot of nicer features then the 2006 had, such as Exhaust Break, StabiliTrack and it gets much better mpg.

Hope this is of some help.
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:49 PM   #6
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You will most likely be well over the payload capacity. Add in your hitch and family and anything else u might have in the bed or the truck and then add a couple hundred lbs to the pin weight for ready to camp status and you are likely over.

Case in point...I knew I was going to get a toy hauler so I skipped the 2500 and went to 3500 srw. I have 4074lbs payload per door sticker. I just got done with a 2600 mile trip and we were loaded heavy (2 quads in rear and lots of clothes and food etc). Went to cat scale and based on earlier cat weighs I knew I was close to max...came in at 25580 cgvwr with truck at 12500, rear axle at 7100 and trailer axles at 13030. I had about 3500 on the pin....empty pin weight from prior weigh was 3100....so you can see how things add up (I was 100lbs over rear axle and 100lbs over truck gvwr. Even though I ordered this truck last year, I am going to order a drw now as more truck is needed for me, especially in the mountains and when hitting 7 hours of rain and 40mph winds as we did one day on the trip. Basically I'm saying look real hard at all the numbers. Good luck!
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Thanks guys. My truck is a '15 Silverado 2500 Duramax Crew. I appreciate the conversation. I will have to find some CAT scales.
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Just read my post and noticed that I was thinking bumper-pull not 5th.
Multiply by 0.25 (25%) to estimate pin weight.
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...My truck is a '15 Silverado 2500 Duramax Crew. ...
Based on chevrolet.com web site your
GVWR = 10,000 lbs
GRAWR = 6,200 lbs

Weights are the same for 2x4; 4x4; Std Box or Long Box.
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Just looking to see if any members happen to be using a 2500 Silverado Duramax to pull a 2015 Eagle Premier 375BHFS or maybe even a 2016 North Point?

The dry hitch weight is 2550 and the payload capacity of the 2500 HD Crew is about 2800.

I know it's testing the limitations of the truck, but im curious to hear from anyone that tows with this configuration to see if you have done anything to the truck. Ie Helper Springs, airbags, etc.
I am pulling a 2014 Eagle Premier 361REQS with a 2013 GMC 2500 Duramax. The trailer has a dry weight including full propane 12600 with 2600 ib pin weight. The 2500 is rated for 3000lb pin weight. The only difference between a 2500 and a 3500 SRW is the spring package. I added a SuperSpring with a rating of 1000lb. I don't know what it would be like without the SuperSpring towing because I added it before I made my first tow of the Eagle. After several thousand miles towing in the mountainous NW I am very pleased with the performance. I stay in a park in AZ with 1500 other RVers and I am by far not alone in my choice of tow vehicles. I am not trying to convince you one way or the other, this is just my experience with this setup.
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