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Old 06-15-2018, 07:18 AM   #21
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Sounds like you can pull it safely, but one word of warning. While HT stands for Half Ton, that by no means, means that any half ton tow vehicle can tow an HT trailer. You are correct in evaluating all the ratings. I had an F150 that would not safely tow the trailer you have mentioned, and it had the 5.0L engine and tow package.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:02 AM   #22
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This is another situation where the issue of safety and comfort seem to overlap. If the load falls within the allowable specifications set by the manufacturer of the truck then it should be safe to handle that load with that particular truck. Beyond that, how comfortable and pleasant the towing experience will be is really subjective. The numbers will tell the story regarding safety but the issue of whether it will be a pleasant towing experience is up to each driver to determine.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:54 AM   #23
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Thanks all for your comments. I seem to be within the weight limits all around as several have suggested. I know the naysayers have some good points but I feel I'll be okay.
Today I put a deposit down on an Eagle HT 26.5RLDS. Got it for 70% and also added 2-6V batteries, Anderson hitch and 2 slide toppers (all installed).

5er is on the lot so I may get it sooner than later. Hope so.

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You're really going to appreciate the Andersen hitch and slide toppers! I use the Andersen hitch and love it! 40# of aluminum goodness. I can install it in <10min and remove it just as fast with almost no effort. With the turnover ball I use, my bed is clean ready for anything. The slideout covers will help with rain and heat. Just keep in mind that leaves, etc. will land on it and when you roll it up, you'll probably end up keeping some for later. Just unroll (slide out) and brush off when you get home.
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Old 06-15-2018, 10:40 AM   #24
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Not enough truck! We see them burned up on the side of the roads in the mountains a lot.
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:03 PM   #25
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"Can my F150 pull this 5er?"

I think it probably can pull it OK. The real questions are:

"Can my F150 carry the load of this 5er?"
"Will I be comfortable hauling this 5er with my F150?"

As has been mentioned, the only way to answer the load question is on some CAT scales. The only way to answer the comfort question is by taking it on a trip.

I have a similar trailer (see sig line below) and a larger truck. I am really happy with the rig and would not have purchased the trailer if I had a smaller truck. But that's just me...
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Old 06-17-2018, 06:54 PM   #26
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No, youíll be looking for a 3/4 ton truck after one trip. Been there done that.
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Old 06-17-2018, 07:18 PM   #27
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you numbers are as good as some 250 , go for it you are ok
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:55 AM   #28
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You will ruin your engine

I have done that. Engine totally shot at 100,000 miles. Just build the cost of a new engine into your budget.
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I have done that. Engine totally shot at 100,000 miles. Just build the cost of a new engine into your budget.
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I have to agree with some previous post, Even though you can pull it with a 150 you may not be able to control it. I dont know why any one would pull a 5th wheel with a half ton. go 3/4 and problem solved. There are too many long drawn out discussions about this. If you want a 5ver go get a truck that will make it safe. remember were out on the road when you are.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:06 AM   #31
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You said you may not be able to control it

What make you believe, or what are your credential to come here and say that Gm Ford and Ram engineers numbers and evaluations are wrong ?

What make you believe that the combo will be un-controllable ? Which movement, what is going to be the braking distance , at what speed, going uphill or downhill ? under which circumstance ?

Following your suggestion All the above will become negligeable if he sits in a 250 or even a 350 ?


If the gentleman equipements are withing the spec, who are we me included to say that is not going to work ?

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I have to agree with some previous post, Even though you can pull it with a 150 you may not be able to control it. I dont know why any one would pull a 5th wheel with a half ton. go 3/4 and problem solved. There are too many long drawn out discussions about this. If you want a 5ver go get a truck that will make it safe.
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Seems like a lot of members here can't understand if someone bought a new 1/2 ton truck a few years ago and then invested in a TT or a 5er which is able to be pulled by a 1/2 ton truck with its design specifications, why should a person invest in a 3/4 ton and loose in the deal a lot of money? Yes now comes the argument; safety, comfortable towing etc. Aren't we all have different, idea's, comfort, $$$ etc.
If the specifications are within the design of the truck, you might have your own opinion, but is from a none engineering point of view. Sure you might have had a bad experience with your 1/2 ton truck, but then look for a change in the mirror.
Everyone is in title to buy a truck or TT or 5er according to their needs, as long they stay within the specifications of engineering design.
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If i read the OP post it shows a 09 F150 and per the tow chart it shows he will end being over on the pin weight after cargo is added and that's for the 4x2 and is over with a 4x4. http: http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...9RVTTguide.pdf,


The only reason rv manufactures make theses half ton 5th wheels is because there are a lot of half tons out there and as long as there under the empty weight for a half ton they will make it and after you add all your belongings you end up over weight most of the time.



Half ton trucks are mainly used as daily drivers with towing a small fishing boat or camper or getting that load of dirt, but lets be realistic if you are wanting to be with the big boys then buy the truck to match the job. 5th wheels are high profile and add wind and all the other things like people pulling out in front of you. You need to think safety. I always see you guys with the half ton mentality. "I can pull that". well let me see you stop that or contol it. but when you have to ask and it seems that happens a lot on this forum, you are probably having doubts in the first place and even if you still go through with it, you more than likely will not have a good experience. I know because i used to have a half ton and also had the same mentality.
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I would disregard your truck manufacturers payload rating. Look at your rear axle weight rating. Go scale your truck with passengers and full tank of fuel and what you think you might haul around in your bed (ie toolbox or whatever) now subtract your axle weight rating from your scales weight and that my friend is your real payload is now just to be safe take that number and your two rear tire weight rating and the lesser of the two numbers is your real payload (pin weight target) as far as 80 or 90% number no who cares if your slightly over on your numbers or want more or better ride control go spend $1200 on air bags and onboard air compressor. This will level your truck give far better ride as well as way more stability. And $1200 is was cheaper then an f250. I'm about 200lbs over my gvwr on a gmc 3500hd srw and airbags made the 200 lbs ride better then 500 under my GVWR without the bags. I highly recommend anyone towing anything get airbags on the back this is my 3rd truck with bags and I'll never own one again without them.
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Oh by the way if your close on your numbers DO NOT use the Anderson hitch with a 5thwheel. Allows too much roll on a high profile trailer get a real 5thwheel hitch Anderson's are nice but they are still a ball hitch built for lower profile trailers. When wind catches you on the side your trailer will lean over a few degrees. With a 5thwheel hitch you dont get that.
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FYI Toyota corp, does not recommend towing a 5er with any Tundra. Most likely you were well past cargo capacity. I have a good friend that works in Corp and asked all these questions. It puts undue stress on the whole truck. Just because you can drag something down the road, doesn't mean you should and certainly doesn't mean it's safe or not doing undue damage to your vehicle.
No, I was well within cargo capacity according to the scales and the door sticker.

Your friend at corporate thinks operating a Toyota within their cargo limits puts undue stress on the whole truck? Wow.
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No, I was well within cargo capacity according to the scales and the door sticker.

Your friend at corporate thinks operating a Toyota within their cargo limits puts undue stress on the whole truck? Wow.
What was did the yellow sticker on your door jamb say your cargo capacity was? I don't know of any 5er who's tongue weight is 810 lbs... is that "book weight" or actual weight?
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A few years ago I would have said NO, but I have seen several Ford F-150ís, correctly equipped, pull these HT models from Jayco. I would not have any reservations.
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I guess I could pull 15,000 with my Ram 2500 6.4 4.10's. 2900 for payload. 15% (minimum) for pin=2250 lbs, wife and I 300 lbs, 5th hitch 150 lbs, = 2700 lbs. Well under the RAWR. Heck yeah why not? Rams rated for 15,470. RAWR is 6500 lbs. Easy peasy. Hmmm is a big 5th wheel in the works?
Maybe a 40' 5er or so.
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FWIW I ran into a guy towing an Eagle HT 5er (I believe it was a 26.5xx model) with a Toyota Tundra. He had airbags on the rear, so it sat level.

I talked to him briefly and he said it towed great. It was a bit under powered on grades and the fuel tank was too small (his year Tundra had a 14gal fuel tank, then Toyota got smart and increased the capacity in later years, or so I'm told).

So there's that. I have no idea the specs on the Tundra, so I don't know where he was with weights and capacities.

IMO if you're within the recommended capacities, taking into account all passengers, cargo etc, then it just boils down to how comfortable you are with the margins. A 3/4 ton will give you a greater margin than the 1/2 ton Ė but if you have a 1/2 ton truck already, the choice may be simple.
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