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Old 03-03-2016, 09:15 AM   #11
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Finding a used truck is difficult as you are seeing. Used duallys are pretty common but used SRW's are few and far between I guess people just hang on to them.

You are looking for a diesel 1 ton, 350 or 3500 truck, IMO. long bed or short bed can be properly hitched to do the job. Mine has 3.73 rear end. That and 4.10 are the most common Ford ratios. Dodge is 3.42 or 4.10.

It is an educating time! Read and compare.
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I was just messing around on auto trader. There are 50 trucks under $30K, diesel, less than 75,000 miles listed on Auto trader in your area.
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Old 03-03-2016, 06:39 PM   #13
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Thanks everyone for the input and thank you Silverado for the link as well.

Yep, guess I need to dive into this in much greater detail to figure out what will work and what won't. It just threw me when I saw two F350 DW listed and one could tow 15k and the other could tow 18k and the only difference I could see was that one had a 3.7 gear ratio and the other had a 4.1.
A little bit of my confusion has cleared away, a little anyway....now that I know the difference between a supercab and a crewcab as it appears in certain years each came in particular gear ratios so it's easier to tell what they're capable of towing.

It seems though as most don't really get above the 16k towing mark until the 2010 - 2012 year model depending upon if it's a Ford, Ram, etc.


Another question though....
The F450/4500 seems to come in fewer transmissions and gear ratios and it would make the determination a bit easier as to if it could tow 16k. Any input on these? Same as the 350 just bigger? Any issues to be aware of with a 450?
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It's my understanding that 9 out of ten guys who transport trailers for a living use the dodge with the Cummings engine... That tells me something about the engine.
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Old 03-03-2016, 10:17 PM   #15
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Not sure what year you are looking for or if you prefer Ford over Chevy.

I am a Ford guy and have been for years. We have a 7.3 chipped a 92 351 that we are dropping a cummins into. I had the 6.4 and now the 6.7. Skipped the 6.0 since International just went brain dead on that motor. At 120k to 130k the heads go and the egr goes and 5k to 8k later you are left shaking your head asking what just happened.

The 6.7 is a pulling machine. When I went fro 6.4 to 6.7 it and pulling the same camper was night and day and the motor can take anything you through at it.

My 2012 F350 has the 11500 GVWR and a payload of 4000 and 5th wheel of 15700 and a combined 23500 with 3.55 gears.

If you find a 2013 F350 with the 11500 you get a payload of 3970 and 5th wheel of 15900 and a combined 23500 with the 3.55 gears. This info is for the short bed trucks. The long bed you loss about 200 lbs of payload and the 5th wheel is the same.

In these years they offer the 3.31 and you do not loss the tow capacity. This is straight from Ford and the info they publish not from the after market tow guides.

The Cummings motor are very strong but the tow capacity's are not as high as the Ford.

What ever you do stay away from the 05 to 07 6.0 diesels and out of them the 05 is the worst since it was the first year of the 6.0

This is my two cents and like I said I am a Ford guy and me and my boys are huge Diesel nuts.

Good luck on finding a truck.
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Thanks Troy.

I'd read a lot of positive things about Ram, but at this point it seems to be much easier to find a Ford.
The Ram 3500 seems to have the same engine in several models and the towing capacity seems to differ by transmission and axel ratio. In looking at the used 3500s online, I'm having a difficult time telling what the axel ratio is as it typically doesn't list it. I run the vin number but it isn't specific and just gives me a range of what the model offers.
Ford on the other hand is easier to figure out. Their towing guides for each year are quite clear (at least they seem to be)....and it looks like if I go 2010 with the 6.4L, I have to be careful about the axel ratio, but starting in 2011 I just have to find an F350 6.7 crewcab DRW and it seems like I won't have an issue with towing the 16k.
So at this point may end up with a Ford as I'm not bright enough to figure the darn Rams out :-)

Found a few used F350s with the 6.7L turbo 4wd DRW in the 28-33k range and they have 70 to 110k miles on them. Since you mention needing some work possibly at around 120 or 130, I'll spend a bit extra and try to get one with around 75k miles if possible. I have several months to find one so hopefully if I look around enough I'll come across a decent deal.

Thanks again!
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To the question of the 450/4500's, it seems that Chevy/Ram cater their 4500/5500 to the Commercial Crowd. Ford is the only one that I recall routinely uses it's 450 to compare for the sake of the Consumer.

WRT the Ford, it only comes in Crew Cab, Long Bed, Dually. It also comes standard with 4.33 and optional 4.88 gears. It's meant specifically for towing. You would want to choose either an 08-10 6.4L or the 13+ as those are the years where you get the 19.5" wheels, bigger brakes and the wider front axle that cuts down the turning radius. And if you go that route, you don't need to worry about your numbers with the 377. One thing to note is that some insurance companies will only classify it as a commerical vehicle. USAA does NOT, but that's my only first hand knowledge.

To the 6.0's referenced above(MY 03.5-07 btw), they do have a bad reputation due to some shortcomings with both the engine and the owners. Lack of maintenance, and the inability for certain stock components to not handle the many aftermarket upgrades caused many issues. These CAN actually be a plus, as you can use the reputation to get a very good price. But I would recommend against it in the OPs case, since he is newer to the diesel world.

No matter what way you go, research and learn all you can. Diesel trucks aren't vehicles you can set it and forget it. They require care. And they are expensive to fix. Joining a forum specific to the truck you go with is a good way to learn the Ins and Outs.

Good Luck and Congrats! We have the 377 on order as well so I know your excitement.
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I am a Ford guy and have been for years. We have a 7.3 chipped a 92 351 that we are dropping a cummins into. I had the 6.4 and now the 6.7. Skipped the 6.0 since International just went brain dead on that motor. At 120k to 130k the heads go and the egr goes and 5k to 8k later you are left shaking your head asking what just happened.



The Cummings motor are very strong but the tow capacity's are not as high as the Ford.

What ever you do stay away from the 05 to 07 6.0 diesels and out of them the 05 is the worst since it was the first year of the 6.0
Ahhhh, not exactly.....

We have 3 6.0s at work, one with 430,000, one with 270,000, and one with 215,000 and the heads have never been off any of them. No head or head gasket problems. EGR coolers, yes! Thats easily fixed though.

Tow ratings vary year to year since the power war started. None of the 3 are that far ahead of the other.

2003.5 was the first year of the 6.0 diesel.
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That is correct on the 6.0 started the second quarter of 03

Yes there are 6.0's out there that have never had any problems with good maintenance and adding no aftermarket items such as the chips or tuners but still more with problems then without problems. At one time there was a rummer of a law suit against Ford with the guys that owned 6.0's.

A major problem with the 6.0's are the head bolts which can lead to a blown head gasket/s and maybe even a cracked cylinder head/s. The 7.3L and 6.7L both have 6 head bolts per cylinder. The 6.0L only has 4 head bolts per cylinder.

Not saying do not purchase a 6.0's but for a person who is just getting into the diesel market and not knowing what was done to the truck before hand such as chips and tuners (can create to much overboost on the motor) which can be removed and a person would never even know they were there and then the problems start and a guy just does not need those kind of problems in my mind.

I would google diesel clubs in your area and maybe see if you can talk to some of them. There are a lot of clubs for diesels out there.

Like I said I am a big ford guy and would purchase a 6.0 but I would fix a lot of the known problems: new head bolts, weld the EGR closed and put an aftermarket turbo on.

Just putting my 2 cents and that along with 2 bits may get you a cup of coffee

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That is correct on the 6.0 started the second quarter of 03

Yes there are 6.0's out there that have never had any problems with good maintenance and adding no aftermarket items such as the chips or tuners but still more with problems then without problems. At one time there was a rummer of a law suit against Ford with the guys that owned 6.0's.

A major problem with the 6.0's are the head bolts which can lead to a blown head gasket/s and maybe even a cracked cylinder head/s. The 7.3L and 6.7L both have 6 head bolts per cylinder. The 6.0L only has 4 head bolts per cylinder.

Not saying do not purchase a 6.0's but for a person who is just getting into the diesel market and not knowing what was done to the truck before hand such as chips and tuners (can create to much overboost on the motor) which can be removed and a person would never even know they were there and then the problems start and a guy just does not need those kind of problems in my mind.

I would google diesel clubs in your area and maybe see if you can talk to some of them. There are a lot of clubs for diesels out there.

Like I said I am a big ford guy and would purchase a 6.0 but I would fix a lot of the known problems: new head bolts, weld the EGR closed and put an aftermarket turbo on.

Just putting my 2 cents and that along with 2 bits may get you a cup of coffee

Good luck on your truck hunting
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I was always a Ford diesel guy, and still partially am....but I love my Cummins Ram so far.
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