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Old 09-19-2014, 03:22 PM   #31
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snip..... I think he should try it with nothing but a ball.........snip
David,

Unfortunately the 33RLDS travel trailer that the OP has, under loaded conditions, the associated loaded tongue weight will "far" exceed the Weight Carrying limit of 600lbs of the 2012 F-250 OEM receiver hitch, thus a WDH is required.

Source: http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...rDtyPUjul1.pdf

Recommended loaded tongue weights for a TT like the 33RLDS is 13% to 15% of it's loaded weight.

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Old 09-20-2014, 08:34 PM   #32
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Do you happen to know how much your trailer weighs ready to camp?
Weight of steer, drive and trailer axles?
Any idea what your pin weight is?



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How is a travel trailer different? bigger sides sure = more wind load but pin weight is pin weight. There has to be something more then just having bigger sidewalls. There are millions of people hauling without WD, unless your an RV then everyone seems to be. " always felt it was a sales gymic with RV sales places" Remember WD is just for putting high pin weight onto the front axle, and rear axle of the trailer. VS trying to support the weight on the rear of the truck or TV.

So I can't agree with "Even big trucks need WD" My experience flat bed trailer hauling was 8K "3500 dodge truck" and 15K of trailer behind it," big john deere skid steer" with about 1,500lbs of pin weight, Yes I weighed it at the pin" Yes the hitch was beefed up but I didn't use bars. Truck towed it with no issues, rear springs helper leafs as I recall were not engaged on the truck or if they were it was barley. This is not the only truck I have used or trailer 3 Horse trailer 3/4, ETC.

Only thing I can think of is RV owners in general don't have enough TV and RV's themselves are poorly weight distributed and have a high pin weight when loaded.

F250 pulling a big 5th wheel.... Ford has squishy suspension, very well known and I bet the 5th wheel was way too big for the truck as a whole anyways. On my 5th wheel the front axle sees about 50lb more with the trailer vs not.


So I'm not sold on the WD with a proper TV... Sway control that is a whole other story. Big sidewalls little wind... small TV sure you need it and lots of it.
I can't give an exact weight on the axles, but I can say that ready to go full trip, the camper weighs in around 9400 lbs. pin weight is around 1000 lbs because we tend to load a lot of stuff not only in the front storage bins, but on the bed as well
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Sorry for not getting back to you all, I've been overseas for a few days. The big thing I've been noticing is just a lot of "kick" it seems from the back end. I'll watch the back from my mirrors for a bit and it is constantly moving slightly from side to side. Now it's nothing drastic as to create anything dangerous, but when I follow other campers and fifth wheels I don't seem to notice it. So what am I missing?
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So what am I missing?
A better hitch.

you need a hitch with better sway control.
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A better hitch.

you need a hitch with better sway control.
When we bought it, the dealer threw in a basic WDH and a sway bar. I've seen sway systems online for $500 that include the trunnion bars and sway system. Since I have trunnion bars already, can I just get the system for $175
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lol.....many times yes
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5th Wheel Vs Travel Trailer?

Let me put it this way......I have been pulling a Travel Trailer for the last 4 years and I can tell you right now, after experiencing the 5th Wheel world, you wouldn't pay me to pull a 5,000lbs TT ever again.

My Touring Edition weighs in at ~9,500lbs loaded. I also have occasional jet skiis behind the 5th wheel as a double tow. That's not all. I pull all this weight with a Tundra 5.7L V8.

If you can get your hands on a 5th Wheel, go for it. The benefits of a 5'er outweighs a Travel Trailer in so many ways.

This is a report from someone that has tried both towing set ups.
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When we bought it, the dealer threw in a basic WDH and a sway bar. I've seen sway systems online for $500 that include the trunnion bars and sway system. Since I have trunnion bars already, can I just get the system for $175

No you wouldn't be able to use anything you have.

IMO order either an Equal-i-zer 4 point or a Reese Straight line hitch.

They will send you everything you need to tow correctly. It may cost close to 600
As has been stated you could and for your length should install a second friction sway control for a lot less but IMO they are still not as good as the ones above.
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5th Wheel Vs Travel Trailer?

Let me put it this way......I have been pulling a Travel Trailer for the last 4 years and I can tell you right now, after experiencing the 5th Wheel world, you wouldn't pay me to pull a 5,000lbs TT ever again.

My Touring Edition weighs in at ~9,500lbs loaded. I also have occasional jet skiis behind the 5th wheel as a double tow. That's not all. I pull all this weight with a Tundra 5.7L V8.

If you can get your hands on a 5th Wheel, go for it. The benefits of a 5'er outweighs a Travel Trailer in so many ways.

This is a report from someone that has tried both towing set ups.
Agreed.
And i've towed enough different makes, models, sizes and shapes that I've lost count.
To the OP, buy what YOU want and go enjoy!
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