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Old 09-06-2015, 04:10 PM   #1
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We have a d12 reciever and an older 18" round dish on a tripod we have used for years with no issues. Since we got the pinnacle, I would like the second d12 for the bedroom. At home we use the genie and mini genie system with the swm dish. No issues. Direct has always been spot on with service. I called yesterday and asked about adding get the second d12 reciever, expecting the additional $6.50 Monthly fee and maybe even a cost for the reciever. Direct tells me I can add the d12 for the monthly fee, and they will supply it with a renew album at no cost. Problem is they won't mail the reciever. They tell me it has to be installed at my home address by a technician. I told them we are not at home and won'the be till nov. Only way they'll give the reciever.
My question is if I buy a reciever from ebay or something similar will the card out of one of mini genies run the d12?
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Don't know about that but I do know that the Genie and mini-genie receiver do not provide power to the dish so you will have to also provide a power supply that they have or buy separately. I has a splitter that puts power on the coax like the older units do.

We have Direct at home but have lost interest in having it on the road.
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Not using the swm in the rv. Just an 18" round dish and d12 reciever. I know the mini genies don'the have tuners so they will not work without the main genie. Trying to figure out if the cards in the mini genie,will work in the d12 reciever. If they will i'll buy a d12 and use one of the active cards out of one of the minis.

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Not using the swm in the rv. Just an 18" round dish and d12 receiver. I know the mini genies don'the have tuners so they will not work without the main genie. Trying to figure out if the cards in the mini genie,will work in the d12 reciever. If they will i'll buy a d12 and use one of the active cards out of one of the minis.

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Sure hope you will keep us posted on how that works out. I did not consider that the dis will not need power but if using one of the type that need power, it has to come from somewhere if using a Genie or Mini Genie.
My understanding is the mini Genie will not work unless it comes thru the Genie.
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You'really right mini genies don'the have tuners.
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You'really right mini genies don'the have tuners.
I need to pay attention, You just stated that! LOL
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It seems to me like someone on this forum installs Direct tv. Maybe they will chime in.
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As a Directv dealer, we deal with RV'ers regularly so hopefully I can enlighten you a little bit. Legacy style receivers ( D11, D12, H20, H21, H22, H23, H24 as well as the DVR's with HR up to the 24), will all work with a 18" Dish because they all have to option in the system settings to select Round 18" Dish and Multi-Switch for the Switch Type. With the Switch type set to Multi-Switch, this allows the receiver to provide the 18 and 13 volts to power the legacy lnb that is on a 18" Dish, with the switch type set to SWM ( Single Wire Multiswitch ), the voltage output to the coax is turned off because the SWM requires a more powerful voltage output than the receivers are capable of producing. All the receivers above are also SWM compatible except the D11's ( not many of those still floating around ). If I were approaching Directv, I would tell them that I intend to use that D12 for my RV that already has an automatic dish on it, so I don't need a tech to come out and install it. If the CSR still won't accommodate you, ask to speak to their supervisor, if that doesn't work, then tell them than to forget it and you are going to switch to Dish Network so you can enjoy your flat panel TV's in HD with an automatic portable Dish and as a new customer I will save over $50-$100 for 2 yrs so stick it. That should get you to someone that can accommodate you. If that doesn't work, and you really want to stay with Directv after that, then find a local dealer and pay for the box a call Directv and add it to your account. Good Luck with that dealings!!
As for the Genie, Mini-Genie (Client), Wireless Mini-Genie, these are the facts: A Genie aka HR34 (1st generation), HR44 (2nd generation), and HR54 (new 3rd generation), are all basically a server receiver DVR with 5 tuners that shares tuners to the Mini-Genies and Wireless Mini-Genies ( that is why they are clients, they don't have Access Cards or Tuners, they have MAC addresses and serial #'s like all IP based Protocol Devices) over the coax cable in a MOCA (Multi-Media over Coax Alliance) environment. The wireless clients also require a wireless video bridge (very similar to a wireless router) to broadcast data from the Genie to the wireless client. The wireless Genie system is awesome for full time RV'ers and RV'ers that use their RV regularly.
Directv now has a new none DVR server type receiver with 5 tuners that is used with client boxes for additional TV's. This system as well as the Genie system requires a SWM style dish only. The cool thing about the HR54 and the H44, Directv has installed a beefed up power supply for those 2 receiver's to eliminate the use of the PI21 power supply that has always been required for a SWM dish. Also, you cannot use cards out of active receiver's and put them in a different receiver. The Access card is mated to the RID (receiver identification) number. Hope this clarifies a few things. If you don't have any luck and if you ever are in South Texas, on the coast, we can sure get you what you want!! I am a dealer that sells, service, and installs Directv and Dish Network, so I feel I can be reasonably objective about both companies. Over the last few years, Dish has aggressively gone after the RV market with the Tailgater and 211 receivers that communicate with the Dish to provide a very functional automatic HD, I will say it again High-Definition functionality at less than $400 for the equipment. With Directv, if you want HD, you either have to get good at aligning a Slim-Line dish or invest in a Winegard Traveler that gets pretty pricey. Good Luck
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As a Directv dealer, we deal with RV'ers regularly so hopefully I can enlighten you a little bit. Legacy style receivers ( D11, D12, H20, H21, H22, H23, H24 as well as the DVR's with HR up to the 24), will all work with a 18" Dish because they all have to option in the system settings to select Round 18" Dish and Multi-Switch for the Switch Type. With the Switch type set to Multi-Switch, this allows the receiver to provide the 18 and 13 volts to power the legacy lnb that is on a 18" Dish, with the switch type set to SWM ( Single Wire Multiswitch ), the voltage output to the coax is turned off because the SWM requires a more powerful voltage output than the receivers are capable of producing. All the receivers above are also SWM compatible except the D11's ( not many of those still floating around ). If I were approaching Directv, I would tell them that I intend to use that D12 for my RV that already has an automatic dish on it, so I don't need a tech to come out and install it. If the CSR still won't accommodate you, ask to speak to their supervisor, if that doesn't work, then tell them than to forget it and you are going to switch to Dish Network so you can enjoy your flat panel TV's in HD with an automatic portable Dish and as a new customer I will save over $50-$100 for 2 yrs so stick it. That should get you to someone that can accommodate you. If that doesn't work, and you really want to stay with Directv after that, then find a local dealer and pay for the box a call Directv and add it to your account. Good Luck with that dealings!!
As for the Genie, Mini-Genie (Client), Wireless Mini-Genie, these are the facts: A Genie aka HR34 (1st generation), HR44 (2nd generation), and HR54 (new 3rd generation), are all basically a server receiver DVR with 5 tuners that shares tuners to the Mini-Genies and Wireless Mini-Genies ( that is why they are clients, they don't have Access Cards or Tuners, they have MAC addresses and serial #'s like all IP based Protocol Devices) over the coax cable in a MOCA (Multi-Media over Coax Alliance) environment. The wireless clients also require a wireless video bridge (very similar to a wireless router) to broadcast data from the Genie to the wireless client. The wireless Genie system is awesome for full time RV'ers and RV'ers that use their RV regularly.
Directv now has a new none DVR server type receiver with 5 tuners that is used with client boxes for additional TV's. This system as well as the Genie system requires a SWM style dish only. The cool thing about the HR54 and the H44, Directv has installed a beefed up power supply for those 2 receiver's to eliminate the use of the PI21 power supply that has always been required for a SWM dish. Also, you cannot use cards out of active receiver's and put them in a different receiver. The Access card is mated to the RID (receiver identification) number. Hope this clarifies a few things. If you don't have any luck and if you ever are in South Texas, on the coast, we can sure get you what you want!! I am a dealer that sells, service, and installs Directv and Dish Network, so I feel I can be reasonably objective about both companies. Over the last few years, Dish has aggressively gone after the RV market with the Tailgater and 211 receivers that communicate with the Dish to provide a very functional automatic HD, I will say it again High-Definition functionality at less than $400 for the equipment. With Directv, if you want HD, you either have to get good at aligning a Slim-Line dish or invest in a Winegard Traveler that gets pretty pricey. Good Luck
Excellent and very informative.

I have the DirecTV HR44 and HR24, whole home, 2 tv's (one in the front bedroom using the RG6 that came from the factory for the front tv), Slimline dish on a tripod from tv4rv.com and DNS. At the time I was looking to set this up 5 years ago (before the HR44) I could get virtually zero information from DirecTV. They just don't want to talk RV it seems, but after figuring out how to do it I set it up and it still works great. I did upgrade an older DVR to the HR44 and kept the then new HR24.

With all of this being said and even though I can aim my Slimline in minutes, I would upgrade to a portable automatic aiming dish in a heartbeat if anyone would come out with one for HD on DirecTV. Switching to Dish is not an option.

Fingers crossed that it will happen in my lifetime, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I,would love to switch to the,swm system. There are several here now. With the older d12 I don'the get half our programming. What aggravates me with direct is i'my not buying a winega Rd system. Evidently they're now partnering....nor do I want NFL Sunday ticket.... I will tell them today if,we can't get this resolved,I am planning on switching to dish.
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