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Old 01-05-2016, 05:43 PM   #51
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I would think if anything was gonna fail with the Andersen it would be either the ball or the king pin block. I don't think the hitch itself would go anywhere. I wouldn't hesitate chaining around the pedestal. Thanks for the pics! Can't wait to hear how it towed.
Kevin, i have towed with a pullrite superslide for well over 10,000 miles. There is significant difference between the pullrite and the Andersen. When pulling straight which is 99% of the time, the center of gravity is 3 or 4 inches ahead of the rear axle on the pullrite. That means that there is some weight being transferred to the front axle of the truck. With the Andersen, the center of gravity is 1 or two inches back of the rear axle. Translates to some weight being taken off the front axle. It became apparent to me that the truck tended to want to wander on the road more then the truck did with the pullrite. It wasn't terrible or even unsafe but it is tiring over the course of a days driving. This is not to berate the Andersen but just to give you facts. It's possible that if someone had not pulled with both, may not recognize the issue. It is clearly there tho. An inexpensive stationary hitch that will allow you to make tight turns without danger of hitting the truck has to have a down side. I think that it very well built, easy to install, relatively easy to hook to and unhook from!! I'm certainly going to use it some more before I make any more evaluations. I like the hitch but I do have some reservations. I'll give a better report after we return from our trip.
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Kevin, i have towed with a pullrite superslide for well over 10,000 miles. There is significant difference between the pullrite and the Andersen. When pulling straight which is 99% of the time, the center of gravity is 3 or 4 inches ahead of the rear axle on the pullrite. That means that there is some weight being transferred to the front axle of the truck. With the Andersen, the center of gravity is 1 or two inches back of the rear axle. Translates to some weight being taken off the front axle. It became apparent to me that the truck tended to want to wander on the road more then the truck did with the pullrite. It wasn't terrible or even unsafe but it is tiring over the course of a days driving. This is not to berate the Andersen but just to give you facts. It's possible that if someone had not pulled with both, may not recognize the issue. It is clearly there tho. An inexpensive stationary hitch that will allow you to make tight turns without danger of hitting the truck has to have a down side. I think that it very well built, easy to install, relatively easy to hook to and unhook from!! I'm certainly going to use it some more before I make any more evaluations. I like the hitch but I do have some reservations. I'll give a better report after we return from our trip.
Thanks for the feedback! What if you spun the king pin block around and have the ball mount behind the king pin versus in front? How is the clearance between the trailer and cab of the truck on sharp turns?
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Thanks for the feedback! What if you spun the king pin block around and have the ball mount behind the king pin versus in front? How is the clearance between the trailer and cab of the truck on sharp turns?
That would not change the center of gravity. The ball on the hitch determines where the load is on the truck. I am comfortable that there would be no contact on tight turns with the present setup. 6 in. closer switching the block would have me very nervous. It would be pretty close now with a full 90 degree turn. But in all the years I've towed, I can't ever remember much more then 70 degrees backing in.
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I just saw this video of The "Tow All".
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:41 AM   #55
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I just saw this video of The "Tow All".
Would this qualify as a "Double Tow"?
Pretty interesting tho. Wonder if the height is adjustable, his 5th is level but doesn't look like it would clear the bed rails if he used a conventional in-bed hitch. Also looks like the total length gets about 6' added.
Anyone see one of these on the road?
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Would this qualify as a "Double Tow"?

I'm sure that is up for interpretation by each officer. Who knows what they'd think.

Comparison wise, in Michigan, dump trucks and semis use those under the rear trailer and Michigan does NOT allow three trailers, so it shouldn't be a separate unit. But again, it is all up to the individual officers interpretation.
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Would this qualify as a "Double Tow"?
Pretty interesting tho. Wonder if the height is adjustable, his 5th is level but doesn't look like it would clear the bed rails if he used a conventional in-bed hitch. Also looks like the total length gets about 6' added.
Anyone see one of these on the road?
I did see one like this. No way to know if it was the same brand or a 'home brew.' It was in traffic and less than highway speed and didn't have a long look so I have no idea how it behaved.

Two things about this: In the video he says it is a 'steerable' front axle and he shows it has an axle lock to reduce sway. I wonder about the stability of this combination.
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What it qualifies as is garbage.

Hook your fifth wheel up to a system that is pulled traditionally.
Dynamics change completely and yes this to me seems like a double tow system. Bumper to gooseneck/5er yeah ok. Now you have a fifth wheel WAY further back etc. how about a big crosswind or a tight back up and turning radius.
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What it qualifies as is garbage.

Hook your fifth wheel up to a system that is pulled traditionally.
Dynamics change completely and yes this to me seems like a double tow system. Bumper to gooseneck/5er yeah ok. Now you have a fifth wheel WAY further back etc. how about a big crosswind or a tight back up and turning radius.
Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking.
It looks like the towing axle steers by using the chains (stabilizer chains is what I think he called them) and it looked like he cranked them pretty tight. If they weren't tight enough I'd really wonder about stability. I'd like to see one (from a safe distance) bopping down the Interstate at 60mph with a 20mph X-wind.

A bit of off-topic but watching "The Long Long Trailer" I saw some kind of "bogey wheel" tucked under the hitch which I figured was keeping the rear bumper from dragging on the roadway. Must be the 50's version of a WDH.
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Old 01-08-2016, 04:02 PM   #60
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Thanks for the feedback! What if you spun the king pin block around and have the ball mount behind the king pin versus in front? How is the clearance between the trailer and cab of the truck on sharp turns?
After towing with the Andersen for 1300 miles, I have a little different perspective of the hitch and it's capabilities. The first two days we were on the road was windy conditions. I had said that the truck wandered more then with the pullrite automatic that I had used before. The last three days have been little or no wind and the wandering condition has not been there. The hitch has performed very well. I have had to back into several tight spots requiring tight angles and hard turns. At the tightest turn backing, I stopped and measured. 10 inches was between the truck and fifth wheel. I'm confident that there would never be contact under normal conditions. The pullrite would still be the better hitch under all conditions because it does transfer some weight to the front axle which the Andersen clearly does not. Having said that, I have no intention of changing to anything else on my return home. My biggest concern is that everything depends on the gooseneck ball staying attached to the truck. The Reese system that I have is held in place by a pair large ball bearings that are pressed into a groove on the receiver. Probably very strong or Reese wouldn't have that type of system in place. I would feel more secure if the ball was secured by a horizontal pin that held the ball into the receiver. I do believe that if I had stayed with a F250 truck, there would have been too much of a load on the rear axle with my trailer. My pin weight is 2500 lb. it would have put all the weight on the rear axle which would have made a tail heavy condition. Fortunately, thru dumb luck and not foresight, I went to a 350 which has substantially heavier axle and springs. All said, I'm not disappointed with the Andersen Ultimate.
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