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Old 05-29-2013, 09:28 PM   #1
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LED update... Not impressed..

A few weeks ago I posted that I was going to change out my G4 overhead bulbs with LED's. Well, I started out with the flat warm white LED puck lights with like 15 LED's per base. They put off a very dim and yellow light that I did not care for at all. Looking my fixtures over, I realized the housing was reflective so I ordered some of the round 360* 5050 cool white LED's. These were better, but still put out maybe 70% as much light as the factory halogen G4's put out. I guess unless someplace makes like a 10000k cool white LED's I'm going to just stick with the factory Halo bulbs.
If anyone is interested, or wants a dimmer bulb, I have 20 of the warm white puck LED's and 20 of the 360* cool white bulbs that I would sell for .75 each plus shipping. Besides the 4 I tried in my bedroom overheads, the rest of them have never even been plugged in.
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Keep in mind 10,000k IS NOT Cool White. Cool White is in the 4,100k range.
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Jayco is replacing the halogens with LEDs in the 2014 Pinnacle and Eagle Premier. Does anyone know what bulbs they are using?
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I originally used warm white LED boards at around 510 lumens and all was fine. Perfect replacement for the 921 bulbs for me in my over head ceiling lights... Warm white to me is almost the same as the incandescent bulbs... I am actually abit brighter than the 921 bulbs. Then I started noticing I was getting RFI interference on my HDTV and nOAH WX receiver using my OTA BATWING antenna camping off the power grid. I changed out the Command Electronics PN 170-111 LED boards for the $4.99 non regulated SMD Board 36-1210 Ebay/China which are warm white 252 Lumens each so my dual lamps has have around 504 lumens total. All works fine still....

Using the defuser covers its hard for me to tell the difference from the old 921 bulbs....

Some have reported the ebay/china boards don't last as long. I have had my 5 lamps going now for over three years and have only lost one 3-segment of leds on one board. I got several replacement boards at $4.99 each so hen it gets too dim to use i will replace the board. Still waiting for it to get dim haha... My highest DC Voltage feeding the boards is 13.2 - 14.4VDC when converter is in its smart mode charge mode. The specs on the non-regulated boards was 12-14VDC so doing good so far... At $4.99 a board not that much a problem for me to worry about the life span.

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Old 05-30-2013, 11:05 PM   #5
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No I realize that 10000k may not be cool white, I was just saying they almost need to be about twice as powerful as these 5050 bulbs I used are. The factory halo bulbs are pretty bright, which is what I personally prefer. I'm always connected to shore power so I'm not really concerned with the power savings as much as I am looking for a cooler running bulb. These would be fine if the defuser was a little clearer, or I just left them off. Unfortunatly, neither is a viable option, so for now, I will keep searching for a brighter G4 LED.
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I too am looking for a brighter G4 replacement, but haven't found one yet.


I am also looking for a bayonet base G shape led to replace the bath vanity bulbs. These being close to the ceiling will eventually yellow the. ceiling due to heat. Still looking.
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We like our G4 LEDs replacements, had them for about a little over a year.

They may be slightly dimmer, (did not measure them) but for us they put our plenty of light and are fine for us and work great.

The LED we used is - Side Pin G4 12V AC/DC 12 x Tri-Chip 5050 SMD LED Bulb 120 Degree
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Rob_Fla,
Those look pretty much like the ones I origionally tried and they were way too dim. Then again I'm kind of a light freak and want to be able to make it look like daytime even at midnight. LOL
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Rob_Fla,
Those look pretty much like the ones I origionally tried and they were way too dim. Then again I'm kind of a light freak and want to be able to make it look like daytime even at midnight. LOL
LOL, that is why they make Fords, Chevys and Dodges, something for everyone.

I thought the Halogens almost had too much glare at night for my OLD Eyes.

When I come in at night from walking the dog, I do not want to be awaken by the sun light !!!
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Old 06-01-2013, 10:47 PM   #11
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ex9501,

Thanks for the link. I've seen these LED fixture replacements at CW. Thing is I want consistant lighting throughout the whole camper which would mean I would need to buy 18 of these. At 52.99, think I'll have to wait for someone to come up with a OEM replacement that's a little cheaper. The DW found out I spent 1000.00 on new bulbs, I'd be living in the camper. At least my electric bill would be affordable. LOL
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Old 06-02-2013, 06:14 AM   #12
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I replaced all of my bulbs with leds from SuperBriteLeds, an online company. I have over $400 invested in them. Since we boondock for many months each year using solar they are necessary for our style of rving. SuperBrite leds are high quality, I have only had one failure in two years.

http://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/boat-rv/
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Old 06-02-2013, 10:12 PM   #13
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dzwiss,

This place looks to have much brighter LEDs than I've tried thus far, but $25 per bulb is still more than I want to spend. Maybe I've got a champaine taste on a beer budget. LOL
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I think your going to find it hard to find a Led light that puts out as much light as a G4 halogen. If your always plugged in why not just keep those. LEDs do not project light like a halogen. I use to change the lights in hospital operating rooms and if you want light nothing beats a halogen. Daylight 5000k degrees (not temperature, the color of a piece of metal heated to 5000k degrees would look like) ) is bright but even if you found a led with it, I dont think it would give off as much light.
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Murphie,

The biggest reason I would like to switch them out is the amount of heat they put out. There is absolutely no shade where we leave ours and when the outside temps climb into the 90ies and above, both AC's run nonstop just to keep it cool. I usually leave the dark shades pulled, which inturn requires us to have some lights on, thus adding to the inside heat as well.
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:32 AM   #16
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Jrmay25, have you thought of going fluorescent? You can get 5000k daylight tubes for them and they don't heat up like some of the others do. I was at a trailer show a few years ago and had gone into a trailer that had led lights installed from the factory. I was surprised how much heat they gave off. The lighting industry is changing all the time. I was surprised how long it took for the RV industry to start using LEDs good luck in your search.
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Murphie,

I havent really looked at going fluorescent, but will check int it.

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Old 06-26-2013, 10:22 AM   #18
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I read a great magazine article last year about converting to LED's. They outfitted a camper inside & out from stem to stern with several different types of LED's & reported the results. Some worked better than others.

The general consensus was this: if you are just changing bulbs inside an existing fixture - keep in mind that the reflectors in that fixture were designed for the type of lamp (bulb) that came with the fixture, and that simply inserting an LED lamp into a fixture could lead to worse results in some cases.

They found that the best results were when they replaced an entire fixture with a new fixture that had a reflector designed for the specific type of LED lamp that was used. Of course this is more expensive. So some trial and error is necessary unless you stumble upon a good combination right off the bat. New campers are going to be designed specifically with appropriate fixtures/reflectors for the lamps used.
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SouthRider,

That makes sense, and to be honest, wasn't somthing I had considered. Guess for now I will just live with what we have...

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These are the closest that I have found on a budget to come in at about 85-90% of the light of the halogen. Bright white would be blue or whitish which you could try if you want to explore hitting the mark. I've tried them all and the pucks do not do it. Sure I paid $30 bucks for 20 of them too, but they are just not the same.

Try these. You need to trim the posts a little and bend them slightly to fit, but the glass fixture will go over them and it is a 360 bulb which will utilize some of the reflector within the unit. Buy 2 and see if it works for you.

http://compare.ebay.com/like/3008802...Types&var=sbar
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