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Old 07-27-2011, 01:38 PM   #11
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The 2300 pin weight is probably based on basic RV without the generator, etc. My F250 Super Duty diesel short bed's pin weight max is around 2900 but I would not go near that amount. I have installed Firestone air bags on back and inflate to 15-18 psi and that makes quite a difference in back end drop down. Adding a 100lbs diesel tank in bed (about 800lbs) I think would max out your pin weight capacity. Do you have a short bed or long bed truck?
My truck is a LB. The advertised payload is 2,600 lbs which is based on the 10,000 GVWR. My truck weighs 7,600 lbs with a half tank of fuel and myself at the wheel. I'm guessing with a full load of fuel, a 5th wheel hitch in the bed and my wife the truck will weight close to 8,000 lbs. Based on the 10,000 GVWR, I've got maybe 2,000 lbs before I'm over weight. That said, I know I'm going to be over weight and I'm pretty sure, the truck can handle the weight.

I see you pull a 35 foot Travel Supreme which is a heavy trailer. What is the pin weight on your trailer? Is that why you have the air bags? If you don't mind, how much did you pay for them? I've been thinking I will either need air bags or helper springs.

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Old 07-27-2011, 02:42 PM   #12
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My truck is a LB. The advertised payload is 2,600 lbs which is based on the 10,000 GVWR. My truck weighs 7,600 lbs with a half tank of fuel and myself at the wheel. I'm guessing with a full load of fuel, a 5th wheel hitch in the bed and my wife the truck will weight close to 8,000 lbs. Based on the 10,000 GVWR, I've got maybe 2,000 lbs before I'm over weight. That said, I know I'm going to be over weight and I'm pretty sure, the truck can handle the weight.

I see you pull a 35 foot Travel Supreme which is a heavy trailer. What is the pin weight on your trailer? Is that why you have the air bags? If you don't mind, how much did you pay for them? I've been thinking I will either need air bags or helper springs.

Gary
Don't know exactly what my pin weight is but trailer was making truck squat down more than I wanted so I installed Firestone air bags (the kind that fit inside the leaf springs). All bolt on, no drilling,etc. Installed air line and air valves under fender well. You can air up with regular old hand pump (without RV hooked up of course). Don't remember how much they cost but not too expensive. You can Goggle "firestone air bags" and check for the model that fits your truck. Cuts down on bouncing also when RV is hooked up. I also had RV dealer install a 5th Airbourne extended pin because I have a short bed. It has an air bag and a shock inside and that also cuts down on the chucking and bouncing. When not hooked up to RV, you just keep 5psi in bags. Helper springs may give a harsher ride for truck when you don't have RV on?
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:19 AM   #13
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Just to say a little bit about homemade fuel. I have over 100,000 miles on my fuel. The 6.0L loves the fuel, but you need a fuel pressure gauge in the cab of the truck and as soon as the fuel pressure comes off of Max pressure, change the fuel filter. If you don't change it and try to run another 500 miles or so, you will stick an injector. Sometimes they start working fine again, but sometimes they are stuck either open (lots of white smoke) or closed (just a miss in the engine) and you will have to replace it or them. I have replaced all 8 because I was stupid!! Now I take waist see through veg oil, let it settle for about 3 months min, 1 year is great (looks like brand new very light colored veg oil). Then cut it with gas using a 85 oil 15 gas mixture. I add a few amsoil additives to get the octane out and cetane up. My cost is about $.90 per gallon, but right now I am changing fuel filters at about 2000 miles. That makes the price of fuel $1.20 per gallon and I just change them on the side of the road. From the time to change clothes in the trailer, change the filter, change clothes back in the trailer and wash up, 15 minutes. I have changed over 100 filters on the side of the road, it is no big deal. I get paid per mile from my company, so I am making some really good money. The main thing about the 6.0L engine is that it is really picky about all the fluids in it and the most important thing, the injectors. It is a must to keep max fuel pressure in the rail all the time!!! Injectors will go easy 100,000+ if this is done, but if it is not done I have had them go out at 10,000 miles. Again it was totally my fault and I learned the hard way. The 7.3 is not as picky and loves the fuel too, the fuel filter only needs to be changed the same interval as for diesel. I hope this helps! If you don't let your veg oil settle you are asking for it though. I just used some oil that has been settling for 2 years and I swear I could have a fish fry in it.
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Old 07-28-2011, 03:53 PM   #14
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By all means take the truck and trailer to a Cat scale. Weigh the Truck without the fiver with everything that you normally carry on it and full fuel. Then weigh the truck and trailer together. Be sure to use a Cat scale that will weigh each axle. I have air bags on my 07 F250 SD and tow a 07 Jayco Designer 31RLTS with Generator and every option. GVCWR is a little over 19,200 LBS loaded. Truck is 7,460 with fuel and 2 people.
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:12 PM   #15
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Talked to the salesman today and told them the max I was willing to pay. The salesman called the manager then called me back and said they are as low as they can go. I told the salesman our offer is firm and to call me if they changed their mind. In the meantime, we will continue to look. Bottom line, I'm glad we did the exercise. Learned a lot about Jayco and now they're at the top of the short list.

Thanks all for your responses.

Monte. I like the price of your fuel. Don't know about being knee deep in the stuff, but if I had the room to do it, I might experiment. Thanks for the info.

Mel, Do you know what the pin weight is on your trailer. I know the 31 RKS we looked at is a bit heavier but it sounds like yours with all the options will be a pretty good bench mark.
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Mel, Do you know what the pin weight is on your trailer. I know the 31 RKS we looked at is a bit heavier but it sounds like yours with all the options will be a pretty good bench mark.
Here are the specs
07 Designer 31RLTS 35 ft long Max Gross weight 14,500 Lbs, Cargo max 3,850 Lbs, Pin Weight Dry 2,680 Lbs.
F250
No trailer, Tool Box, Fuel and 2 people
Gross 7,460 Lbs
Front Axle 4,080 Lbs
Rear Axle 3,380 Lbs

With Trailer
Front Axle 4,380 Lbs
rear Axle 6,100 Lbs minus 3,380 Lbs = 2,720 Lbs Loaded pin Weight.

Both Trailer Axles 9,500 Lbs

Trailer Loaded 12,520 Lbs

Truck and Trailer Loaded GVCW 19,980 Loaded

Allowed GVCWR 23,500 Lbs for truck.
Hope this helps you.
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Here are the specs
07 Designer 31RLTS 35 ft long Max Gross weight 14,500 Lbs, Cargo max 3,850 Lbs, Pin Weight Dry 2,680 Lbs.
F250
No trailer, Tool Box, Fuel and 2 people
Gross 7,460 Lbs
Front Axle 4,080 Lbs
Rear Axle 3,380 Lbs

With Trailer
Front Axle 4,380 Lbs
rear Axle 6,100 Lbs minus 3,380 Lbs = 2,720 Lbs Loaded pin Weight.

Both Trailer Axles 9,500 Lbs

Trailer Loaded 12,520 Lbs

Truck and Trailer Loaded GVCW 19,980 Loaded

Allowed GVCWR 23,500 Lbs for truck.
Hope this helps you.
Mel
Thanks for the info. That is very helpful. It looks like my truck is heavier than yours because of my long bed and 4x4. What's interesting is the rear axle. Mine weighs less than yours. Probably because of your tool box. The pin weight on your trailer is also more than the 2006 Designer I'm looking at. So I'm thinking I should be able to handle the weight OK. Hopefully I'll hear back from the dealer and be able to give the google search engine a rest.

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Old 07-28-2011, 08:38 PM   #18
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Thanks for the info. That is very helpful. It looks like my truck is heavier than yours because of my long bed and 4x4. What's interesting is the rear axle. Mine weighs less than yours. Probably because of your tool box. The pin weight on your trailer is also more than the 2006 Designer I'm looking at. So I'm thinking I should be able to handle the weight OK. Hopefully I'll hear back from the dealer and be able to give the google search engine a rest.

Gary
I have a lot of cloths in the closet in the front bedroom, Also a 2 1/2 inch memory foam mattress on the top of the king size mattress on the bed and other things. It all adds up. The tool box and Hitch in the truck weigh around 400 extra pounds. Truck is 2 wheel drive. There are lots of designers for sale out there so you should not have trouble finding one.
Mel
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