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Old 11-16-2015, 08:56 AM   #21
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Why does Everyone say / think Oil Changes cost more? I do my own, and with the 2500, its Very Easy to do. I just put 3 Gallons of T6 Oil in, @ $20.95 per-gallon (Wal-Mart) and Cummins Filter @ $19.95. So for a Whopping $82.80 I put 12 Quarts of Synthetic Oil & Filter in. I'll repeat this now every 7000 miles.



My 1500 Gasser got 15.4mpg City
My Diesel gets 18.5 City
I've gotten 22.3 doing 80 on the Highway in my Diesel!

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Well, because they do cost more. I can change the oil/filter on my Ecoboost for $25 using full synthetic. All three of my diesel trucks cost me $85-100. I would still rather own a diesel but I will say a gas truck is much cheaper to maintain.
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Old 11-16-2015, 09:15 AM   #22
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2012 6.7 Ford = 109.95 + tax oil change
2012 6.2 Ford = 39.95 + tax oil change


2012 F250 6.7 (on my lot) w/44,000 miles $39,000
2012 F250 6.2 (mine) w/33,000 miles $27,000


If you have it, good for you. But if you don't, there are alternatives.


We have brand new 2016 diesels on my lot listing for more than $65,000. Comparable gas engine trucks are $51,000. $14,000 can change a guys mind...real quick. Myself, I really have no use for a diesel truck. I don't need it. I don't need to yank a house off the foundation, I just need a truck to pull a camper. And I really can't afford a $1000 a month payment..not on a truck. I know people who are "house poor" because all their money's wrapped up in a truck and a camper. That's just not for me.
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I guess I'm just use to the wife Audi costing around $75 so $82 is not that far off. Of course going from 5-6 quarts to 12 will cost more, but still.

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Oh trust me, if you GAVE me a diesel..I'd love to have it! LOL
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Why does Everyone say / think Oil Changes cost more? I do my own, and with the 2500, its Very Easy to do. I just put 3 Gallons of T6 Oil in, @ $20.95 per-gallon (Wal-Mart) and Cummins Filter @ $19.95. So for a Whopping $82.80 I put 12 Quarts of Synthetic Oil & Filter in. I'll repeat this now every 7000 miles.



My 1500 Gasser got 15.4mpg City
My Diesel gets 18.5 City
I've gotten 22.3 doing 80 on the Highway in my Diesel!

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My 2500 gasser requires 6 quarts of oil and a standard oil filter - costs me about $35 at the dealer, about every 5-6K miles. That's less than half the cost you are paying to do it yourself! That sounds more expensive to me.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:00 AM   #26
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I take my 2013 GMC diesel in to the dealer for oil changes not even the one I bought it from and it cost me $98.60 and they fill the DEF and washer fluid and rotate the tires.

It's simple enough to do yourself but it's not costing me my time for them to do it. I also had the transmission filter $68.56 and the fuel filter 89.16 done by the dealer.

Keep an eye on your Junk mail. I use to throw the stuff from GMC away and I have gotten 2 free oil changes using the coupons from them.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:37 AM   #27
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My 2500 gasser requires 6 quarts of oil and a standard oil filter - costs me about $35 at the dealer, about every 5-6K miles. That's less than half the cost you are paying to do it yourself! That sounds more expensive to me.
UNLESS, I follow my Manufactures maintenance schedule which states, "Every 15,000 miles or 6-month." So you 'may' change yours 2-3 times to my 1.
Just saying, I don't 'really' think the owners cost of maintaining a Diesel is too much more than a gasser.

I Love my Diesel and 'personally' wouldn't go back to a gasser.

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UNLESS, I follow my Manufactures maintenance schedule which states, "Every 15,000 miles or 6-month." So you 'may' change yours 2-3 times to my 1.
Just saying, I don't 'really' think the owners cost of maintaining a Diesel is too much more than a gasser.

I Love my Diesel and 'personally' wouldn't go back to a gasser.

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Agreed! I'd love to have the diesel, as well. When I had my 6500# Outback, the gas engine in my 2500HD was great! I got about 10 mpg and I hardly knew the trailer was back there.

But my 32RLDS weighs in about 8500# - over 9000# with the 80 gallon fresh water tanks filled, and I now get 8 mpg on average - 8.5 if I baby it. And it doesn't pull as well - more weight.

And 32 feet is a LOT of tail trying to wag the dog. So I'm inclined to look for a fairly new, gently used F350 with a diesel. I don't want the dual wheels in the rear (it won't fit in my garage along with a car). GM does make a 1-ton with single rear wheels, but they are rare and very pricey. I'm not a Ford person, but they seem to make good trucks and a lot of friends swear by them. I could become a convert for the right price!!!
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Old 11-16-2015, 03:43 PM   #29
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Why does Everyone say / think Oil Changes cost more?

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Because you use 2 to 3 times the oil on a diesel! That alone makes it cost more.

Personally, I don't think a owning a diesel ever will pay for itself over a gasser. Those that try to prove that it does are just trying to justify their decision.

That said, a diesel, especially a new model one, will pull all day long with ease. It makes towing a much better experience for me, and makes me happy. So it's what I want, and I'm not going to worry about costs. But I still think it is important that people considering one understand things are more expensive.
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I totally agree. I have a 2004 sierra duramax 2500hd. Just wondering what a new one goes for loaded. I paid $35,000 in '03 and have heard they are twice that now. (sorry for the highjack)
I gave $57K for my new 2015 SRW Denali 3500 HD in Oct of 14. Sticker was 75 and change.
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Why does Everyone say / think Oil Changes cost more? I do my own.......
Dave...
I do my own oil etc;
Wife's GMC 1500 6qts oil 20mpg fuel current 1.85
Mine Ford 250Sd 15qts 11mpg fuel current 2.04
add 6k or more for the oil burner engine & Gas is definitely cheaper to run and buy. Pulling power gas doesn't have a chance.
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The biggest concern for me with a diesel would not be the initial cost difference(which could be made up in resale), the increased regular maintanence costs, or the noise but rather the prospect of appallingly high repair costs. My FIL had to do an injector job on his Duramax to the tune of 4200.00. I have to wonder if I have spent that much total in non regular maintanence repair bills on all the gas trucks I have owned since 79, combined. A friend had a littany of pricey repairs with his 6.0 Ford, and then there is this thread by our very own Seann45

http://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f3...eee-31521.html

Not saying I will never buy one, if the need arises I will. We all know diesels have there place and if you are pulling big units/loads/long distance hauling you need one, the gasser just will not get it done. But long as I don`t need it.......Of course if I was to hit the lottery or had nambarc`s roll of dough, I would order one in a second even as a grocery hauler.
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2012 6.7 Ford = 109.95 + tax oil change
I have a 2012 6.7l and I do my own oil changes. Ford made it so easy. I buy my 10w-30 Rotella T-5 at Walmart, my oil filters off Amazon. Total cost for an oil/filter change for me is around $65 and 1 hour of labor [me].
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For those of you doing your own oil changes...(for us City folks), where are you disposing of the oil? I know when I was in high school and college, back when I had zero $$, i did my own and would take to local auto parts store for disposal. I have yet to see an oil disposal at any of my local auto parts stores though?? BTW, this is my 1st diesel and I don't ever plan on going back after towing with it!

Thanks in advance and sorry if I hi-jacked thread,
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Wal-Mart takes the old oil back for free.

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X2. That's where mine goes. But my oil and filters there too. Hard to find Motorcraft filters anywhere else.
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I take my 2013 GMC diesel in to the dealer for oil changes not even the one I bought it from and it cost me $98.60 and they fill the DEF and washer fluid and rotate the tires.

It's simple enough to do yourself but it's not costing me my time for them to do it. I also had the transmission filter $68.56 and the fuel filter 89.16 done by the dealer.

Keep an eye on your Junk mail. I use to throw the stuff from GMC away and I have gotten 2 free oil changes using the coupons from them.
It pays to shop dealers. My local GMC dealer charges me 59.95 for an oil and tire rotation. I needed an oil change one time while I was in the Phoenix area and they charged me 86.00 for the same job. Your right about watching the coupons the factory sends out for some money savings.
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There are a number of good points in this thread, however, there are a few that are still missing.

Like some others who have posted here, I have a personal experience that partially shapes my views. A little over two years ago I purchased a 2013 F250 XLT 6.2 gas model. I spent a lot of time going through the tradeoffs. One, we had been camping for a long time (decades) and had moved through (with three sons who have long since grown up and are out on their own) tents, popup, travel trailer and now a fifth wheel. For a vehicle we started with whatever car we owned at the time, moved to a minivan to pull the popup, and then to a 2006 F150 (5.4 Triton) to pull the travel trailer. As we thought about the potential move to a 5W, the need for a larger truck shaped the discussion.

We decided on the truck first because I wanted to be sure that we had enough vehicle. In the summer of 2013 we pulled our travel trailer (Whitehawk 26SRK) with the F150 about 7,000 miles from central PA to Glacier, Yellowstone and Rocky Mountain National Parks. We also visited a number of state parks and swung south through Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee and Virginia on the way home. The F150 was challenged in the mountains out west pulling our 6,000+ lb. TT. The issue was not the engine but the transmission. It would clearly get hot on long, steep pulls. (I measured the transmission temperature with a Scangauge II in real time.) We were on the road for a month.

When we returned home I decided on getting a new truck with the expectation of a 5W within the next year. I ended up buying the 2013 F250 6.2 gasser with a snow plow package suspension upgrade upfront and a camper package suspension upgrade in the rear. I bought this truck new, off the lot of a nearby dealer because it had everything I wanted except for one thing and the price was very aggressive. A diesel (6.7) would have cost $8,000 more at the time.

The only missing option was a 4.10 set of gears. I ended up with a 3.73 because the 4.10's were extremely hard to find without ordering them.

A deciding factor for me on the question of gas versus diesel was the loss of payload with a diesel in a 3/4 ton package. There is very little difference between my F250 and an F350, especially with my factory suspension upgrades. However, the payload difference for my F250 gasser and a comparably equipped diesel was approximately 700 pounds. Just to be clear, the payload was 700 pounds LESS for the diesel. I already had my eye on an Eagle 5W and knew that payload would be an important factor.

I suspect that my F250 is artificially restricted to a 10K GVWR for purposes other than its ability to pull loads. I have never seen a 3/4 ton truck with a GVWR above 10K---insurance and licensing issues seem to be the cause. But, and this is a point that is not mentioned much, violating the ratings for a truck can lead to citations and the risk of an insurance claim not being honored even if your truck is "capable" of handling it.

My F250 weighs about 7300 lbs. with the Superglide hitch in the bed, leaving me with 2700 lbs. of payload. We subsequently bought a 2015 Eagle 291 RSTS which weighs 11,300 lbs. loaded, with a pin weight of 2200 lbs. It is 12 feet 9 inches high and 34.5 feet long. It is as big a unit as we will likely ever own.

The weight of the F250 over my F150 results in a noticeably better towing experience not just with the 5W but also with the TT before it. The power of the 6.2 drivetrain is more than sufficient for our needs. We have over 1,000 miles on our F250/Eagle 5W combination this summer and it has worked very well. We have pulled some very steep hills without any issues whatsoever.

For example, we were at Misty Mountain Campground in VA a few weeks ago. Our site was in the back part of the campground on a ridge. On the way out I turned left when I should have turned right and found myself on a very steep grade dead end. How steep? Well I had 1/4 tank of gas and the tilt was enough that the "low fuel" light came on. I ended up backing our 5W about 100 yards over a bumpy gravel road. The truck had plenty of power to move our 11,000+ 5W back up that steep hill in reverse.

I find the 6.2L F250 to be more than enough truck for our combination. It sits level with no air bags (but has the factory-supplied beefier suspension.)

So my message is that a diesel may be right for certain situations but certainly not for all and I have not found the need for it in mine. My experience is that the current Super Duty gassers are as capable as the diesels of 10 years ago.

My two cents based on experience and thorough research prior to the purchase.

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All I can say is it depends.

With 25% of your trailer on the pin, you are at or over 2500 lbs of payload. without anyone or anything in the truck I would guess you are considerably over your payload. Will the F150 handle it??..., probably but not if you pull a lot of miles.

I had a similar dilema, my F150 was over it's payload so I upgraded to a F250 Gasser. Get around 12 average in the City, 16 max on the highway and about 9.2 in mixed towing. Going up and down the mountains in 2 long trips I am glad to have had the F250. The engine is greatly de-rated to gain longevity but it pulls fine just the same. I do get into 3rd gear going up hills and I'm sure a Diesel would be much better. I can say I really like the tow hawl mode and being able to actively lock out gears. On steep grades I almost never have to hit the brakes. I'm sure the Ecoboost on the F150 doesn't give as good engine braking as the 6.2l

If money were no object I would have gotten the Diesel, but it was around a $7k option and would have taken a long time to get a pay back.

In the end no regrets in upgrading. I feel much safer with the family in the truck and after getting the F250, there is no comparison in the construction of the 2 trucks (F150 vs F250). I think the Front Diff on the F250 is about the size of the Rear diff o the F150 :-)
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