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06-27-2020, 08:14 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Atlanta Area
Posts: 12
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North Point/Pinnacle vs. Montana
Hi guys,
We're considering a fifth wheel and the brands we're considering are Jayco NorthPoint/Pinnacle and the Keystone Montana.
I was wondering if any of you who landed on a Northpoint/Pinnacle rather than a Montana what were to factors that played in the decision.
Thanks so much
Dave
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06-27-2020, 08:48 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Port Huron, Mi
Posts: 1,737
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Well, back in 11 we went from a tent to an 04 34' Montana Mountaineer. What a great trailer. Built well, very few problems and they were easy to fix. In 15 we bought a Forest River Sierra Select and a month later sold the Montana. What a pile of junk that Sierra was. In 16 we traded in the Sierra for our Northpoint. We really love it. Our daughter is 16 and will most likely be camping with us for another year or two. I asked the wife if she wanted to keep it or sell/trade it for something different. Nope, we are keeping it, so I did a drum to disc brake conversion. IMO that should be standard on these size trailers. What a difference. Anyway, we go to the RV shows in the winter for something to do. We look at all the trailers. We went into a few Montana's and weren't real impressed. Honestly, one model has a rear bath and when we stepped into the shower it was really short. I would have to stick my head into the skylight just to shower. We also found the shower floor in that model had a flex to it something terrible.
Now I'm not saying that a Northpoint or Pinnacle will be a problem free build compared to the Montana, you're gonna have issues with all of them. It inevitable, but you'll probably have less issues. Compared to my 04 Montana, it seems like the build quality went down. The bling factor definitely went up though. I think Northpoint and Pinnacle need to slow down and step their game back up to where it should be for a luxury line of units. I think the new ones have slipped a little bit compared to my 17 and some of the years before. 2017, 2016 I think is right about where Thor took over.
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2017 North Point 375BHFS
2015 Silverado 3500HD Crew Dually Dmax 4x4
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06-27-2020, 09:05 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Atlanta Area
Posts: 12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake Huron
Well, back in 11 we went from a tent to an 04 34' Montana Mountaineer. What a great trailer. Built well, very few problems and they were easy to fix. In 15 we bought a Forest River Sierra Select and a month later sold the Montana. What a pile of junk that Sierra was. In 16 we traded in the Sierra for our Northpoint. We really love it. Our daughter is 16 and will most likely be camping with us for another year or two. I asked the wife if she wanted to keep it or sell/trade it for something different. Nope, we are keeping it, so I did a drum to disc brake conversion. IMO that should be standard on these size trailers. What a difference. Anyway, we go to the RV shows in the winter for something to do. We look at all the trailers. We went into a few Montana's and weren't real impressed. Honestly, one model has a rear bath and when we stepped into the shower it was really short. I would have to stick my head into the skylight just to shower. We also found the shower floor in that model had a flex to it something terrible.
Now I'm not saying that a Northpoint or Pinnacle will be a problem free build compared to the Montana, you're gonna have issues with all of them. It inevitable, but you'll probably have less issues. Compared to my 04 Montana, it seems like the build quality went down. The bling factor definitely went up though. I think Northpoint and Pinnacle need to slow down and step their game back up to where it should be for a luxury line of units. I think the new ones have slipped a little bit compared to my 17 and some of the years before. 2017, 2016 I think is right about where Thor took over.
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Thanks for the input, ...
And I agree with you about Thor, ... I'm starting to see the influence in the 2021 models.
Yes they have the bling, (big fan of that), but i'm concerned with the quality.
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06-27-2020, 09:13 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Port Huron, Mi
Posts: 1,737
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It's almost a crap shoot really. Best you can do is find the model you like and look it over the best you can. Take another set of eyes to pick it apart. BEFORE you sign anything, on the PDI check everything and test everything. Just because it works then doesn't always mean it's not going to fail either. Lol!
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2017 North Point 375BHFS
2015 Silverado 3500HD Crew Dually Dmax 4x4
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06-27-2020, 09:26 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Whitby Ontario
Posts: 575
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Carver
Hi guys,
We're considering a fifth wheel and the brands we're considering are Jayco NorthPoint/Pinnacle and the Keystone Montana.
I was wondering if any of you who landed on a Northpoint/Pinnacle rather than a Montana what were to factors that played in the decision.
Thanks so much
Dave
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I have had dealers say that the Northpoint and Montana are in the same class and the Pinnacle is one class up
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06-28-2020, 02:20 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
Posts: 637
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We had a 2008 Montana 3485 until 2019 when we bought our Jayco. I wish we would have kept the Montana and upgraded the awnings, leveling, etc. We have had troubles with our Jayco. I talked to the techs and they like Grand Design.
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Cliff and Annette
2019 Jayco 315RLTS Northpoint
Travelling with 2 Macaws, a cat, and 2 standard poodles.
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06-28-2020, 07:47 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 719
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When we were considering an upgrade from a Carriage Cameo (the original Carriage Company), we were considering Grand Design. Wife really liked one in particular but it had a sliding door & after the Cameo was broken into 3 separate times, felt the sliding door was too much of an opportunity. We saw the Pinnacle 36FBTS at the RV Show & she really liked that one because of the front bathroom. We now have the Litter Robot for our 3 felines & it fits nicely up there. In the Cameo, the litter box was in our bedroom, on my side of the bed. We purchased our Pinnacle BEFORE Thor purchased them. We have had some issues, just like everyone else.
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Dennis & Donna Dohme
2016 36FBTS Pinnacle
2008 F450
USMC Veterans (both of us)
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06-29-2020, 05:57 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Shipman
Posts: 221
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After owning a Montana for 10 years with no real problems it was hard to part with or switch brands..however after looking at the new Montana’s just could not find the floor plan that we wanted until we found the Pinnacle.....major problem in Montana was the bathroom shower ...it seems to be about 6 inches thinner than the one in the Pinnacle and for me that was a major item....also after about 6 weeks of research and critical reviews of construction, etc I felt like the Jayco Pinnacle was better built overall....reading forums it also appears that the Pinnacle has a lot less problems than the Montana based on customer complaints....so far we are very happy with our Ponnacle, our dealer and Jayco.....
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Stan & Sandra
Shipman, VA. & Jacksonville FL.
2015 F350 Lariet CC Dually
2018 Pinnacle 36KPTS
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06-29-2020, 07:38 AM
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Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Byron Center, MI
Posts: 77
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The DW and I were seriously considering a 2020 Montana with the same floorplan as our new North Point (raised rear den with massive storage underneath).
These two brands are as closely competitive as any when it comes to higher end 5ers.
When we saw the Jayco were sold.
The DW really liked the Modern Farmhouse interior, and I liked the Polar white exterior.
There are many premium features that the North Point now offers including 6 pt hydraulic leveling and the JayCommand system among others.
After using it twice now, we believe we made the right choice.
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2020 North Point 387RDFS
modern farmhouse
2018 GMC Denali HD CC SRW Duramax L5P
Curt A20
Airlift 5000
Michelin Defender LTX M/S
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06-29-2020, 09:32 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 819
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I'm really not a fan of the "old man tan" exterior colors of the Pinnacle, no offense intended since I'm well past Medicare age. I wish they offered the white of the North Point, but we felt the interior was nicer than anything in the class we toured. We don't live on the outside so the tan is tolerated. We do like the interior mixture of the cherry colored cabinets, grayish walls and grey/beige floors. My daughter says it is known as greyge. We also felt the furniture was a little better quality.
Colors and bling are useless though without some semblance of quality construction. So far we have found very little wrong with ours and the few things that were took just a couple of minutes of my time to correct. Long term durability is something that will be decided a year or two down the road.
We looked at some Montana's when shopping but nothing stood out for us.
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Jim
2020 F350 Platinum, srw, lbcc, 4X4, 6.7 diesel, 12,400 GVWR
2020 Pinnacle 32RLTS, Reese Goose Box
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06-29-2020, 01:09 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: WNY
Posts: 458
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If we were to look for a new FW, I would look at:
1st - Arctic Fox by Northwood
2nd - Grand Design - Solitude
3rd - Jayco - Northpoint/Pinnacle
Just my $0.02
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2015 Jayco Eagle Premier 361REQS
2014 GMC Sierra 3500HD 4x4 CC D/A
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06-29-2020, 01:33 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 819
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROC-REQS
If we were to look for a new FW, I would look at:
1st - Arctic Fox by Northwood
2nd - Grand Design - Solitude
3rd - Jayco - Northpoint/Pinnacle
Just my $0.02
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We started with the Artic Fox 32-5M as our target and were ready to go to New Mexico to see one, a 550 mile one way trip. No doubt they are well made but they are not flexible in their options. The two top things on our requirement list were auto level and a residential fridge. Northwoods doesn't offer a residential fridge as an option. The dealer tried to work with them to build us an ordered unit and leave out the standard gas/electric fridge so they could install a residential for us. They would not do it. I quit after that and never asked but they do not mention auto level in the features list. They do say they have 6 point leveling so I'm not sure if that means it is auto or not.
We reversed your last two. We narrowed it down to the GD Solitude 310GK and the Pinnacle. The Pinnacle won but not by a whole lot. One of the things that made a small difference was the rear cap. In this price range I think a molded rear cap should be standard and in the ones we looked at Jayco and Redwood were the only 2 that did, if I remember right. Seems like Big Horn had it as an option. I also think disc brakes should be standard but no one asked me.
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Jim
2020 F350 Platinum, srw, lbcc, 4X4, 6.7 diesel, 12,400 GVWR
2020 Pinnacle 32RLTS, Reese Goose Box
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06-29-2020, 01:48 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Howell, MI
Posts: 118
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We have been Rving since the mid 80s. Pop-up, travel trailer and three 5th wheels. 1st 5er was a 2001 Jayco Eagle that we kept until 2015. Had only a few minor issues with it over the years. After spending nine weeks in it we realized it was time for one with 3 slides and more room. Ordered a new 2016 Montana High Country and took delivery in spring of 2015. Nothing but problems right out of the gate. 1st trip out the facia board on the upper part of the kitchen fell off during travel. That was minor compared to the 4 slide failures that occurred during the time we had it. The unit was plagued with other problems as well. Ordered the Pinnacle in 2017 and are extremely happy with it. Spend about 5 months total in it each year. In my opinion the extra body width, solid wood cabinet frames and the other amenities make a world of difference. One thing I have always done to my 5th wheels is upgrade the suspension. I believe doing so greatly reduces the strain on the unit when towing because it reduces the impact from the bounces. Also saves wear on the tires. I would recommend the Pinnacle any day.
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2018 Pinnacle 36 KPTS, MorRyde 8K IS Suspension, Disc Brakes
2022 F-350 Dually, Diesel, Hensley BD5 Trailer Saver hitch.
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07-11-2020, 07:26 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Wellington
Posts: 260
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Eharris205,
What was your suspension upgrade?
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]2018 Eagle 321RSTS-sold
2021 Pinnacle 36SSWS
2020 F350 CC LB DW 6.7
1973 IH 1210 CC
1975 IH Travelall
1979 IH Scout II
[SIGPIC]
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07-11-2020, 07:38 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Natalbany Creek Campground, Amite City, LA
Posts: 3,244
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I'm partial to the Pinnacle............looked real hard at the Montana and found it to be not as quite "finished" for us.
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AL & JANET KRUEBBE
2019 PINNACLE 37RLWS
2018 NORTH POINT 315RLTS (TRADED)
2017 RAM 3500 DRW DIESEL/AISIN 4.10 AIR BAGS
B&W COMPANION TURN OVER BALL HITCH
Formerly from Sequim, WA
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07-11-2020, 07:51 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Okc
Posts: 15
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We went to make a deal on a new North Point at a dealer a hundred miles from home. The salesman we talked to on the phone was busy with another customer so we had time to look it over. After a few moments I noticed some rust and corrosion on the connections to the hydraulic rams. Upon closer inspection I saw that the entire under carriage was rusty and corroded. I then looked at the units around it and found that it was the only one in that condition. We just sold our 2015 KZ and the under carriage on it was ten times better than that 2020. It was the only 310RLTS they had in stock. I was disgusted and told the wife we would just have to go somewhere else. Just make sure you look it over thoroughly before you commit!
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07-11-2020, 09:24 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Howell, MI
Posts: 118
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8K MorRyde Independent Suspension. Also have the Trailer Saver Hitch in the truck.
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2018 Pinnacle 36 KPTS, MorRyde 8K IS Suspension, Disc Brakes
2022 F-350 Dually, Diesel, Hensley BD5 Trailer Saver hitch.
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07-12-2020, 02:34 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Hot Springs
Posts: 38
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David, I evaluated all fifth wheels for three years and bought a Jayco Pinnacle 36FBTS. We like the extra nice additions, the floor layout, the large master bath and kitchen. The basement is huge and you can store a lot of gear. We added a washer and dryer stacked pair and a 5500 watt Onan generator for boon docking. Truth be told we use our W/D all the time but have used the generator only once. I would forgo the generator if you really are not serious about camping without power. Also, the tankless water heater is the only way to go. Plenty of hot water to enjoy a nice relaxing shower. In the end, choose what you like the most comparing what you want as you camp. Best wishes!
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07-12-2020, 09:36 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Niagara Falls
Posts: 45
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We were really considering an Alpine which is comparable to a Pinnacle as the higher quality full time fifth wheel from Keystone.
It had some really nice features but my biggest concern was the floors had too much flex in them brand new. I could stand next to the island and move back and forth causing the island to wiggle noticeably. We saw the same amount of flex in the Montana's we looked at as well, but not in our Pinnacle.
Good luck in your search.
Chris
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2019 Pinnacle 36KPTS
2016 Sierra 3500HD CC,SRW,LB,Diesel,Factory hitch
Past Fifth Wheels:2012 Laredo 335TG, 2003 Cedar Creek 28LRLFS
Past Travel Trailers:2003 Flagstaff 25LB, 1993 Terry 35V, 1982 Serro Scotty 18', 1976 Dutch Craft 25', 1972 Banner 18'
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07-13-2020, 05:22 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Full Timer In Naples
Posts: 219
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We owned both a Montana and now a pinnacle. Both can be good units and ALSO both can be bad. Do a full PDI before you leave the lot. Do not let them rush you. Tell them before you sign you will need about 3 hours and there are check lists on the web for you to use. You WILL find issues that need to be addressed.
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2017 Ram 3500, Big Horn, 6.7, Crew, Long, DRW, Aisin, 4:10. Full timer in a Pinnacle
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