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Old 11-03-2015, 06:38 PM   #1
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Pin weight and payload

New guy here. My '15 f250 diesel is equipped w/the 10000 lb gvwr option and the payload on the sticker is 2200 lbs. does the pin weight have to be included w/ the payload? Thanx in advance, rick
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Old 11-03-2015, 06:52 PM   #2
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Yes. The same as a TT tongue weight
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New guy here. My '15 f250 diesel is equipped w/the 10000 lb gvwr option and the payload on the sticker is 2200 lbs. does the pin weight have to be included w/ the payload? Thanx in advance, rick
Be careful with the FW you get - 2200lbs goes fast when your talking pinnacle, our FLSA, loaded for camping, without freshwater (I have the onan 5500W Genset) - is just under 2900lbs.

On my 15 3500 SRW(1 ton), I'm close to my max payload, and within 15% of my max tire load.
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Ford lists your TV as 16,200 for a fifth wheel towing. Yes a pin has to be included in cargo capacities. Anything over 2k dry might exceed your capacities. Weird thing is that Ford lists a 350 SRW and 250 SRW Diesel identically in 5'th wheel towing capacities for your year. A 16K GVW 5th is going to have a pin weight north of 2500# which exceeds your cargo based on your post. So I would focus on that first then trailer weight second.

Here's a link to the info.

https://secure.ford.com/resources/fo...tyPU_Sep30.pdf
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Old 11-05-2015, 08:36 AM   #5
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Well I look to be screwed here. As I said I'm new to rvs and pickups. The salesman who sold me the 323lkts told me not to worry about pin weights as my diesel 250 could handle about anything. I called the local ford diesel service and was told no problem that I had enough rgawr to handle what I wanted to tow.

Guess I should put in my known weights
Gvwr 10000
Payload 2082
Base curb weight 7462
Fgawr 5949
Rgawr 6100
Gcwr 23500
Maximum loaded trailer weight 15100

Shouldn't the gvwr equal fgawr plus rgawr which would give me over 12000
Need to get on a scale but haven't took receipt of trailer yet as its not ready. Tv has fx4 option and I'm wondering about removing skid plates etc to gain extra gvwr. The Jayco rep says pin weights are calculated at 10% of trailer weight which I find hard to believe. I am truly confused and disappointed w/this whole experience. Especially the Jayco dealer
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Sales people like to make sales and not always tell the whole truth. Everyone has to inform themselves before making a final sale.
For a TT; TW will be between 10 and 15% and for a 5er between 15 and 20%
The CAT scale will tell you the actual load situation. You are in control of the weight you put in your combo.
I have towed a 36 ft. 5er with a 3/4 ton diesel with ratings very close to max, after I put 5000 lbs. airbags in the rear it drove more comfortable. The '97 Cummings diesel had no problems with the pull.
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First never trust the salesman. They want to sell you the largest trailer they can and take nothing into account for anyones wel being. That being said I think the trailer you listed is well within the comforatble handling of your TV. Airbags will further enhance your experience giving you the ability to level out the unit should you need to.

Leave the TV as is and get the unit hooked up to see where it sits. Tow once and get a feel for any bottoming out or sway.

10% is light for calculation. I think that unit loaded will come in probably about 21-2200.
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snip......... Shouldn't the gvwr equal fgawr plus rgawr which would give me over 12000 ......snip
The F & R GAWR's are "independent" limits specified for each axle, but the actual "combined" loaded weights placed on the axles can't exceed the TV's specified GVWR. There are additional vehicle elements (i.e.; frame, drivetrain, brakes, axle, etc.) that come into play that determine a TV's specified GVWR.

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snip.......The Jayco rep says pin weights are calculated at 10% of trailer weight which I find hard to believe.....snip
Interesting statement by the Jayco rep......, heck, even the Jayco published (web site) UVW of the 2016 323LKTS put's the published dry pin weight around 18%. The recommend FW pin weight under "loaded" conditions is 15% to 25% of the FW's gross weight...., many folks find that 20% to be the average, just depends on one's loading habits (IMO 20% seems to be the minimum based on CAT scale results that I've seen).

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If you're over, but close, on your RAWR, I wouldn't worry too much about it. More important is your =tires=. The OEM 245 E-range tires on my D'max were about 300 lbs below the RAWR; by switching to 265's, I picked up nearly 900 lbs tire load capacity, so am well over the RAWR of my truck as regards my tires.

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The trailer has a receiver that the salesman told me I could fit a motorcycle rack to and carry my '72 Norton commando. Total weight of rack and motorcycle is 500 pounds. Jayco says the capacity for this receiver is 300 pounds. Salesman said receiver could be reinforced to accommodate rack/motorcycle. This would void frame warranty. But would it void the rest of the warranties? Would the additional 500 pounds at the rear of the trailer lowering the pin weight enough? W/my 2080 payload I would need to lower pin weight to at most 1500 to be right up to max gvwr fully loaded. Is that too low of a pin weight to be safe. Thinkin outside the box a little. What I truly need to do is hook up and hit the scales. I don't want to be illegal. What do air bags do other than level and smooth the ride? Would they only camouflage my overweight condition ?

Sorry for presenting this convoluted mess but I need some help
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