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Old 12-13-2018, 01:48 PM   #1
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We have a 2018 F150 Platinum with 3.5 eco-boost, 5.5 box, 3.55 axle with max towing package and 20" tires. Looking at the Eagle HT 2.7 RSTS or 2.8 RSTS using the Moryrde system. Does anyone have any experience with pulling these 5th wheels using the F150? Also, we are comparing the Jayco to the Grand Design as a competitor so any help or guidance in make a decision?
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Old 12-13-2018, 01:56 PM   #2
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Hello all,

Posted in another are but forgot to say hi in the Welcome Mat. Looking at a 27.5 or 28.5RSTS to pull with my 2018 F150 3.5 turbo. Wasn't sure about a 5th wheel with short box but seems it's doable. Biggest concern is of course is turning, length and weight. Our decision might be between Jayco and Grand Design.
Any thoughts would be appreciate.
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You can get around shortbed issues. It’s the pin weight that is the biggest problem on half tons.
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As mentioned knowing, or estimating the "loaded" pin weight of a prospective FW is key when matching it to a TV.

I would take your F150 under "loaded" conditions (full fuel, passengers, and simulated cargo) to a CAT scale and weigh it. Subtract the CAT scale weight from your F150's specified GVWR....., the remaining weight is your actual "available" payload capacity for a "loaded" pin weight and hitch.

Knowing your actual "available" payload capacity will narrow down your prospective FW short list. CAT scale visit is about $9 and 3 minutes, well worth it.

Loaded FW pin weights tend to fall in the 20% to 25% range of a FW's "loaded" weight.

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Ditto on the pin weight being the limiting factor. We have an F-150 with the specs you described, and we use it to pull a Jayco 26BH travel trailer. With around 2000lbs. of available payload, and plenty of towing power, it's within it's capabilities.

But, a 5th wheel with an unloaded pin weight north of 1500lbs. No way. As good as the F-150 is, there're reasons why they make F-250's.
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As stated your limiting factor is pin weight. We have a 2017 27.5 RLTS HT. Our pin wt. is 1800 lbs and hitch passenger etc: adds another 600 lbs.( Scaled Weight) Total Payload is 2400 # The yellow sticker on your driver's pillar should show a max payload > than your total payload.
We are very happy with our Jayco 5er. We have the revolution pin box- no problems with hitting truck cab-short box.
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Too lite of truck. F250 would be pushing, F350 would be your best bet. F150 is fine for lite weight travel trailers, not for a 5th wheel no matter what any RV salesman says.
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Welcome to JOF

As mentioned knowing, or estimating the "loaded" pin weight of a prospective FW is key when matching it to a TV.

I would take your F150 under "loaded" conditions (full fuel, passengers, and simulated cargo) to a CAT scale and weigh it. Subtract the CAT scale weight from your F150's specified GVWR....., the remaining weight is your actual "available" payload capacity for a "loaded" pin weight and hitch.

Knowing your actual "available" payload capacity will narrow down your prospective FW short list. CAT scale visit is about $9 and 3 minutes, well worth it.

Loaded FW pin weights tend to fall in the 20% to 25% range of a FW's "loaded" weight.

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The ford site has max load of 12500, my tire and passenger weight of 1488 but have 5000 lb listed for load. Theses are all suppose to be 1/2 ton 5th wheels.
Hard to figure out exactly what I can have but seems doable.
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The ford site has max load of 12500, my tire and passenger weight of 1488 but have 5000 lb listed for load. Theses are all suppose to be 1/2 ton 5th wheels.
Hard to figure out exactly what I can have but seems doable.


Let’s assume 1488 payload for a minute(it’s usually even lower than the sticker). Subtract your passenger weights from that. Now, subtract anything else you’re carrying in the cab(purse, car seats, computers, pets, DVD players, tablets, etc). Now, subtract the weight of any accessory you have added. That’s the capacity you have. Add a fifth wheel hitch, and now subtract that weight too. I don’t know of any loaded fifth wheel that will fit in what’s left. Most “half ton towable” fifth wheel numbers only work out with a regular cab, and one passenger in the truck.
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Figure in your onboard fresh water, any grey and black water, L.P, gas in the truck, add the hitch itself. You need a F-250 at least. RV salesman (for the most part) care about one thing ...........the sale.
Pushing weight limits will make for a miserable driving experience plus add the safety factor. Do it right and you'll never regret it.
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:47 AM   #11
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I had a 2017 F150 Lariet with the same basic configuration as you have. My Payload was 1620 and rear axle weight was 3800#. We ended up buying the lightest 5er we could find with a 1050# pin weight. (2018 Rockwood 28'). Ended up being overweight on the rear axle by 200-300# and over Payload by 400# when we CAT scaled.



Gas mileage went from 20ish in mixed driving to under 8 towing. Once those twin turbos start screaming you can watch your gas gauge go down! Also towed like crap and everything that went past us shook us all over sometimes violently. (Bow wave upset) Scarred the crap out of both me and the wife. I put Timbrens, Super Springs and LT tires on because we really wanted to keep the F150. In the end it wasnt worth the risk of being overloaded and having a dangerous ride.


Traded into a 2018 F350 and traded the Rockwood away for what we really wanted and got a 2017 Jayco 28.5 RSTS. Now it pulls like a dream and I get 12MPG towing (19mpg in mixed driving) and the truck doesnt know the trailer is in back.
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The Platinum trim line is the worst for towing because the the extras on the truck sap your cargo carrying capability. The pin weight on any 5th wheel will certainly put you overweight. An 8000 lb bumper pull will put you over your max if you carry any gear or tools in the truck. My '17 Lariat with lots of options is right at max CCC with my 8k TT and I pack very carefully.
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The ford site has max load of 12500, my tire and passenger weight of 1488 but have 5000 lb listed for load. Theses are all suppose to be 1/2 ton 5th wheels.
Hard to figure out exactly what I can have but seems doable.
The 12500 is probably the “max tow” number. You will exceed the rear axle weight rating (Rear GAWR) long before towing 12k#.
Going to the CAT Scale as suggested earlier would be a good idea. What your rear axle weighs compared to the Rear GAWR will show how what the max pin weight should be. Divide that number by 0.25 and you will get a rough idea of the maximum 5th wheel weight you should look for. Your sales guy will tell you anything to make the sale and will not be responsible for any problems that result.

From earlier posts I recall the HT line will exceed the rear axle ratings of most half-ton pickups.

That said, lots of folks tow overloaded and report it’s not a problem.

I just looked at the web site and both look like they will be in the 9000-10000# range when loaded so I’d expect a pin weight around 2250-2500# (add 100# to that for the hitch). I would also expect the rear axle payload to be 1200-1800# (just a guess). Don’t forget that the people and gear will also add weight to the rear axle.
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I have a '13 F-150 EcoBoost Max Tow. Payload is 1700lbs and advertised max trailer weight is 11,100lbs. What a joke! My trailer is 5500lbs empty, 6800lbs loaded, with a tongue weight of roughly 900lbs. Once I include my small wife, 2 little kids, 80lb dog, some gear in the bed, firewood, and my hitch, I am running about 100lbs over the truck's GVWR sometimes. I am also at the max RAWR of 4050lbs with a trailer that's nearly half the weight of what Ford says I can pull.

I have upgraded brakes, shocks, tires, springs, driveline, engine, etc. It all helps, and while I say confidently that it pulls well and I have never had a scary moment, I would never, ever, consider towing something bigger/heavier and especially not a 5th wheel with my truck. Maybe if it was just me in the truck I could handle more, but if that was the case then I probably wouldn't be camping anyways.

Do yourself a favour and get a F-350 if you're serious about a 5th wheel. I know that will be my next truck, even if we keep this trailer. Otherwise, consider a bumper pull with a tongue weight that is within your capabilities.
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Hi guys and welcome. We have a 2017 Eagle HT 27.5 RLTS. I HAD a 2016 F-150 with the towing pkg. and 5.0L engine. While the truck pulled good on level ground, maintaining hills was another story and the pin weight was too close for comfort. I switched to an F-350 and never looked back. The difference in towing our 5er is night and day!
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Like the others have said, your not going to be "legal" towing 95% of the 5th wheels on the market.

The issue is not your tow rating (12,500lbs), the issue your payload.

The yellow sticker on your drivers door jamb that says the payload of shall not exceed 1xxxlbs is going to be your determining factor.

I have a 2016 F150 XLT trim, max tow, etc. etc. and my tow rating is 11,900lbs, but my payload per my door sticker is 1813lbs.

Most "light" 5th wheels have at least 1200lbs of real world pin weight, not 900lbs or whatever is written in the brochure.

The brochures are dry weight, so for instance, no mattress on the bed, no propane tanks, clothes, etc.

Your platinum probably has 1400-1500lbs of payload.

The 28.5 RSTS has a dry pin weight of 1395lbs, so in real life, that will be 1700lbs. You cannot legally put that pin weight on your truck.

The 27.5RLTS is even worse, with a dry pin weight of 1560lbs, in real life probably 1900lbs.

Those 5th wheels are F250 gas territory, or if you want a diesel, you'll need to go F350. Most F250s with a diesel have a payload in the low 2000lbs. The gas engines are lighter, so they might be around 2400lbs.

The only F150 that can possibly tow those "HT" trailers, is the F150 with the Heavy Duty Payload Package. That package is only available on XL, XLT, and Lariat trim levels, not the platinum. That package increases payload by 700lbs.

You may want to look at travel trailers. Even then, your limit will be your payload. An easy way to figure out how much travel trailer you can buy is to do the following calculation (this is based on my truck):

1813 (payload) - 550lbs (family) - 50lbs (hitch) - 100lbs (misc in the bed of the truck) = 1113lbs of payload left for the tongue weight of my trailer.

If the optimum tongue weight is 13% of the weight of the trailer, and my maximum tongue weight for my truck is 1113lbs, than:

1113/0.13 = 8561lbs travel trailer.

My trailer is a 28BHKS which has a GVWR of 8200lbs, so I'm within my trucks specs, assuming I don't front load it too much.
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The other limiting factor for most half ton trucks is the braking systems. I can't speak 100% about the newer F150s but the half tons I have owned, I would never have put a fifth wheel behind. Getting the load moving is only part of the equation, making it stop is the other!! Me personally, I would not feel safe with pulling a fifth wheel of any size with a half ton truck. Whatever way you decide, we wish you the best experience and welcome to the forum!!
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Not an expert myself, everything I’ve read says as soon as you hitch a 5th wheel to a 1/2 ton truck, you are overloaded. I’ve seen it done many times, but I personally have no idea if a 1/2 ton would be overloaded. My advice is read up and decide.

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If you really want to pull a 5er with a F150 and be totally legal you can order one with the Max Tow Package and also the Max Payload package. You will have to stay in the lower trim packages without alot of the bells and whistles.

I have seen stickers where guys have had Payloads in the 2400 lb range and a 4800 lb rear axle which is key to being legal. Those weights even exceed alot of the F250 weights. But you will have to order the truck because they dont have those laying around the lots.

It will also have to be a very modest 5er at that with a lower pin weight. But you still may have issues like I did getting blown all over the road.
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snip........Theses are all suppose to be 1/2 ton 5th wheels.
Unfortunately the branding of many FW models as "Half Ton Compatible" is mis-leading in that it comes across that any 1/2 ton is compatible.

IMO as one begins adding cargo weight to a HT FW's 'as-shipped UVW', the selection of half ton TV's that are a good match (within actual 'available' cargo capacity) narrows quickly.

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snip........Hard to figure out exactly what I can have but seems doable.
As I mentioned in an earlier post a CAT scale visit will remove the guesswork associated to your particular F-150's true 'available' payload capacity.

You referenced an interest in the Eagle HT 28.5 RSTS in your original post (nice floor plan)...., The 28.5 RSTS (10,995 GVWR) has a published UVW of 8,620lbs, but the 'as-shipped UVW' will actually fall in the 9,000lb UVW range (reference yellow sticker on FW).

A hypothetical moderately loaded 28.5 RSTS: (9,000lbs UVW) + (900lbs battery, cargo.., "no fluids") = 9,900lbs. Loaded pin weight = 1,980lb to 2,475lb range (20% to 25%). Loaded at 10,995 GVWR = 2,199lb to 2,749lb loaded pin weight range.

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