Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
Jayco RV Owners Forum
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 05-14-2019, 07:53 AM   #21
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Utah
Posts: 891
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnightmoon View Post
These are interesting comments that I can relate to. I personally have a Cummins Ram and a 3.5L Ecoboost F150. My wife daily drives a Ram 1500. Getting in to hers after driving mine all the time, I'm absolutely miserable. I can't stand how lazy it is on comparison. This week, she is driving the F150 while we attempt to fix her HVAC system yet again, and I'll have a hard time getting it back from her when her truck is fixed.



If you would have asked me 10 years ago what my dream truck would be, I would have said a Ford Super Duty with a Cummins swap. Today it would be if Ford would offer the 3.5L Ecoboost 10-speed combo in the Super Duty line. I'd be all over one in a heartbeat.


A super duty weighs thousands more than an F-150. You would be in the boost all the time with that little motor, and mileage would be as bad or worse than a big gas engine. It wouldnít be peppy like youíre imagining.
__________________
2014 Ram 2500 Mega Cab Laramie 4x4 6.4L HEMI 4.10s with antispin
2014 Jayco Jay Flight Swift 287BHBE
Equal-i-zer 90-00-1200(new 90-02-4900 shank)
2x Honda 2K
NewBlackDak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 07:56 AM   #22
Senior Member
 
ROC-REQS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: WNY
Posts: 451
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tail_gunner View Post
... So I'm pondering my options, find out how much a paint job costs, or just get a different truck. In about 2 years, I'll be retiring and won't be driving back & forth to work anymore. So a new truck will last me longer than I'll last for the truck.
Tail_gunner,

Depending on how much $ you're willing to spend, IMO getting a quote on a full paint job and rust proof undercoating on you current truck and comparing that to the cost of a new truck would definitely be worth the effort.

Also with your retirement pending, what impact would it have on you if you had a truck loan to pay off during your retirement years if you bought a new truck?

Just some food for thought.
Good luck in your decision.
I'm sure what ever you decide, it will be the right one for you.
__________________
2015 Jayco Eagle Premier 361REQS
2014 GMC Sierra 3500HD 4x4 CC D/A
ROC-REQS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 07:57 AM   #23
Site Team
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Connellsville
Posts: 21,341
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewBlackDak View Post
A super duty weighs thousands more than an F-150. You would be in the boost all the time with that little motor, and mileage would be as bad or worse than a big gas engine. It wouldnít be peppy like youíre imagining.
That very well may be the case. But, I'd love to be the beta tester for one. I firmly believe that with 4.30 gears and the 10-speed, it would do darn well.

Can you tell in just love that little Ecoboost.......lol
Midnightmoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 08:46 AM   #24
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,571
I would love to see how a small V-8 EcoBoost would do in a SuperDuty - perhaps a 4.5L twin turbo? I'm sure Ford considered that when redesigning their gas powerplant for that line, and opted for the 7.3 big block instead for a valid reason, whatever that may be. Either way there is something to be said for the EcoBoost design and performance.

I agree that the 3.5L would not be a great match for the current SuperDuty - not because of a lack of power - but because of the fuel efficiency trends. It was designed for efficient operation in the half ton platform/weight regime, and as we all know it starts getting thirsty when put to work. Running unloaded in a F-350 would be like a F-150 towing a mid sized trailer, and those turbos push the power at the cost of fuel.
__________________
2013 F-150 EcoBoost MaxTow, Roush tuned (415hp 506tq), lifted on 33s, R.A.S.
2013 Jay Flight 28BHS Elite (Equalizer 10K hitch)
SkyBound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 09:19 AM   #25
Site Team
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Connellsville
Posts: 21,341
All valid points. However, it begs the question of how much that mileage penalty would be. Instead of a 20 mpg engine in a 1/2 ton platform, would it be a 16 mpg in a HD, or 12 mpg, etc? I'd really like to know. Compared to what a 6.2L or now a 7.3L may get, it just might be competitive.

I don't want to take the OP's thread too much further off topic, but I'll just add that not only am I sold in the EcoBoost technology, I'm really impressed with the small displacement forced induction technology vs. big CID in general. My Sprinter Van is that tiny little 2.1L 4cyl twin turbo diesel. The power and efficiency of that van out of that little package is nothing short of amazing to me.
__________________
Moderator
2017 Jay Feather 7 22BHM Baja/Andersen WD
2018 F150 4x4 3.5L Ecoboost Max Tow
2015 MB Sprinter 2500 Passenger 2.1L Diesel
2007 Ram 2500 4x4 Cummins 5.9L G56

Midnightmoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 09:20 AM   #26
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Utah
Posts: 891
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyBound View Post
I would love to see how a small V-8 EcoBoost would do in a SuperDuty - perhaps a 4.5L twin turbo? I'm sure Ford considered that when redesigning their gas powerplant for that line, and opted for the 7.3 big block instead for a valid reason, whatever that may be. Either way there is something to be said for the EcoBoost design and performance.

I agree that the 3.5L would not be a great match for the current SuperDuty - not because of a lack of power - but because of the fuel efficiency trends. It was designed for efficient operation in the half ton platform/weight regime, and as we all know it starts getting thirsty when put to work. Running unloaded in a F-350 would be like a F-150 towing a mid sized trailer, and those turbos push the power at the cost of fuel.


This I agree with. A 4.5-5L with mild boost could get good unloaded mileage, and still have the power to tow.
__________________
2014 Ram 2500 Mega Cab Laramie 4x4 6.4L HEMI 4.10s with antispin
2014 Jayco Jay Flight Swift 287BHBE
Equal-i-zer 90-00-1200(new 90-02-4900 shank)
2x Honda 2K
NewBlackDak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 11:03 AM   #27
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Thiells
Posts: 85
your 2011 has years left on it why would you replace unless it is high mileage. I am still pulling with my 2006 chevy 2500HD with the LBZ diesel. only 163,000 miles. did need to replace the brake lines 2 years ago and the fuel lines 2 months ago, but I am not getting rid of this truck unless it dies, can't afford a new one.
nynethead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 12:47 PM   #28
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Riverside
Posts: 9
We have been pulling a 7000lb tt for years with a Ram 2500 5.7 hemi. We love it. We have been all over the Rockies and Sierra Nevadas with no problem. On the flat we average 10-12mpg (hand calc) towing.
Phil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 01:06 PM   #29
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Bismarck
Posts: 27
Back to the op's original question, My '09, chev 6.0, 6spd, 4.11, 2500HD, pulls our '15 Jayco 321rsts with no issues. To Alaska in 2016 with no problems. Generally mileage is in the 8-9 range; occasionally with climbing elevation and headwind it gets down to 6.x; conversely, elevation drop with tailwind can get 10-11.

Both towing capacity and payload are within specs but toward upper end.

I'm sure a diesel might pull 'easier' but the gasser has no problem when you let it rev like it's designed for.
__________________
Nodaker
Bismarck, ND
2010 Jayco Melbourne 29 ds
2011 Chevy Colorado
Nodaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 01:57 PM   #30
Senior Member
 
tinlizzie23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Luray, VA (central Shenandoah Valley of VA)
Posts: 1,430
I have been towing our 11,000 lb Designer 5er with a 2003 F350 V-10 gasser since we got it. At that time, Ford diesels were about $6,000 more than V-10s, and I had a recommendation from an owner who bought 2 identical trucks, except one was a diesel, the other a V-10. He recommended the V-10, so we bought one, and have never been sorry. Don't know the camper is there most of the time, and we get around 12mpg towing and 14mpg not towing. Couldn't be happier with the V-10 gasser.
__________________
2003 Ford F-350 V-10 Crew Cab 4WD Long Bed
2004 Jayco Designer Medallion 29 RLTS 5th wheel
Bill, Gayle, Teddy (Jack Russell terrier), and Honey (Beagle)
Retired at last !

Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
tinlizzie23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 02:26 PM   #31
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Fordland
Posts: 15
Just throwing it out there. You'll get your diesel option money back on trade on.
Gunslinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 02:31 PM   #32
Site Team
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Connellsville
Posts: 21,341
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
Just throwing it out there. You'll get your diesel option money back on trade on.
This is very true.
Midnightmoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 03:00 PM   #33
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Lake Havasu City
Posts: 112
You have to look at the big picture on your choice of engines.
Every one talks about fuel mileage but they forget about stopping
that heavy weight.
I live out west which has lots of high mountain roads.
I have a diesel because it has an exhaust brake.
My 2014 Ram diesel has two settings regular and auto.
When set in auto with speed control on I don't have to touch
the gas/diesel pedal when going down a very long hill.
The exhaust brake just comes on a short time to slow the
vehicle to my set speed.
putz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 03:39 PM   #34
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: VULCAN
Posts: 666
That's a good point that has worked out well for me. Resale is great on diesel trucks.
Yooper906 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 04:58 PM   #35
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Howardwick
Posts: 644
Here, build ya' one! https://www.ramtrucks.com/build.ram_...X9,PR4,2ZA,APA
__________________
Eric & D.Ann Riddle
2018 Nissan Titan CC SV rwd
2018 Jayco Jayfeather 23RL
kblast523 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 05:15 PM   #36
Senior Member
 
GraftonGuns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Grafton
Posts: 317
Gunner, I have a 2016 F-350 Lariat Crew Cab with the 6.5' box, It's a gasser with the 6.2 liter engine. It is also my daily driver. I get 12-13 mpg combined. I have got over 13 on straight level road. Now, when I tow my 5er I average around 10 mpg combined. I can't see spending close to $10K for a stinky smelly Diesel. Oil changes are really expensive not to mention the cost of Diesel fuel plus the DEF additive. Yeah, They run at a lower rpm and have a lot of torque but, I'm happy with my Gasser....
__________________
2017 Jayco 27.5 RLTS
2016 Ford F-350 crew cab Lariat. 6.2 liter
GraftonGuns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2019, 08:51 PM   #37
Senior Member
 
Fleetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Lexington
Posts: 106
Send a message via AIM to Fleetman Send a message via MSN to Fleetman
Too much weight

Too much weight to safely and economically pull. If you canít afford or donít wish to step up to diesel which averages 12 mpg vs gasser 7 mpg, you will forever be sorry. You can purchase a great used diesel for a lot less and be happy, I did.
__________________



2017 North Point 315RLST
2012 F250 Lariat 2WD 6.7 diesel
Fleetman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2019, 12:08 PM   #38
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Ottumwa
Posts: 35
My oil change at the dealer for a 2017 F250 SD is 99.50, not that expensive.
Wyldink is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2019, 12:52 PM   #39
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Utah
Posts: 891
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyldink View Post
My oil change at the dealer for a 2017 F250 SD is 99.50, not that expensive.


Mine is $109 for 3x oil change/tire rotation/car washes on my 2500 6.4 RAM.
__________________
2014 Ram 2500 Mega Cab Laramie 4x4 6.4L HEMI 4.10s with antispin
2014 Jayco Jay Flight Swift 287BHBE
Equal-i-zer 90-00-1200(new 90-02-4900 shank)
2x Honda 2K
NewBlackDak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2019, 01:34 PM   #40
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Athens
Posts: 84
I fulltimed for 2 years with a 2011 Dmax dually pulling a16k 5ver excellent setup. Now 2014 Silverado 2500 HD 6.0 with 410 gears pulling a 10k 5ver excellent setup. I plan to move up to GVWR 5ver of 12k.
Diesel are excellent at pulling but costly to run and repair. I can put a new motor in my truck for about $4,000. Right now I have 73k on the clock and expect to get 250+ out of this motor. I don't know about you but I don't run many mountains but it will make the grade if necessary. Good luck with your choice.
Sk734 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Jayco, Inc. or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2002-2016 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.