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Old 01-10-2015, 08:38 PM   #1
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Towing question Eagle HT 27.5 RLTS

We currently own a 2007 GMC Sierra Crew Cab, 6.5' bed 2500HD with the Heavy Duty Tow Package, Brake Controller and Gas 6.0L engine. We currently tow our Jayco Jay Flight 26 RKS TT and it pulls just fine, our ULVW is about 6400 lbs. It seems to tow the TT just fine, of course were using a Weight Distributed hitch.

I have toyed with the area of getting in to a FW and have looked at quite a few as of right now the Jayco Eagle HD 27.5 has our interest but although the dealer says "No Problem" my gut says ask for real life stories from this forum.

From the GMC Book, we have a 10,200 lb towing capacity, (not sure if that is FW or if it matters) This is the New Design GMC in 2007. From what I could find is the Payload is about 2100 lbs.

I know, the logical answer is Buy a Diesel... Ok, but that's another $65,000 on top of the FW and now that is getting pretty expensive...

Is the weight considerations different on a FW vs a TT? If I recall, the 27.5 is about 1500 lbs more ULVW than our TT.

Before I jump in with both feet I'd appreciate any comments from current users of this unit or units that have about the same weight and size.. the last thing I want to do is to drive an unsafe set up its' just not worth it.

We live in the Nashville Tennessee area, went to the RV show today and there are some pretty huge fw out there.... it's hard to find the smaller sizes and weights....

We love our Jayco now... and the dealer has been very supportive... but what they think is safe may stretch the idea a bit..

Thanks in advance for any comments... As for the diesel, right now that is probably out of the question..
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I'm not a pro on the topic but will share what I believe is true.
If you drive up in a 1963 VW the dealer would probably tell you "it's gonna pull just fine".

I would expect the 5th weight to increase by about 1000# once loaded (this is probably generous).
So if the dry weight is 7000# the loaded weight would be around 8000#.
The pin weight should be 20-25% of the 5th weight which would be 1600-2000#.
I would suggest a trip to your CAT Scale with a full gas tank and loaded with the people your normally travel with and the gear you put in the TV. This will tell you the weight on the rear axle.
Add the projected pin weight to the rear axle weight (from the scale) and compare that number to the Rear GAWR from the TT's yellow sticker.
If your GAWR is greater then you should be good to go. If it's less, maybe you should shop for a lighter 5th.
I say this a lot: "The CAT Scale is your friend."

We love our 5th for both the space it has and how it tows. Good luck!
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Old 01-11-2015, 06:25 AM   #3
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Redhorse1, thanks for the reply, I am going to go down and look at the yellow sticker on the FW again, it was not real visible yesterday and way to cold to fool around with it, but I think it is going to be on th heavy side. I don't have a FW hook up in my truck so, taking it to the scale although is the right thing to do I can't until commit and then, it's to late to turn back.

It is interesting that in the Trailer Life Tow Vehicles for 2007 the GMC Sierra 2500HD just shows a TBD in the numbers. There are Tow weights for others given a Pull behind and then the FW numbers but for some reason TL left the FW numbers out.. .I guess due to the redesign of the truck in 2007 from the classic to he New style.

There isn't many lighter FW's If I recall I thought the ULVW was about 7600 and the GVWR about 9950 (which if I have a 10,200 tow capacity) would be way to close for me.

When looking at the weights on the FW they all seem about 1500lbs heavier than their TT counterpart. So, it may look like we just need to stay with what we have for now and enjoy it until we decide to trade the truck up.....

I"ll check out other FW's but I don't think I"ll find much different in a 30' FW as to weight and design... If anyone has ideas on other models (that are quality built) Chime in for sure....

Thanks for the reply, I"ll just have to do more checking on the capacities .. and other manufacturers....

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Hello Dave! We probably passed at the Rv show.

I think your truck would probably handle the weight. Im not sure how long you'd be happy with the power of the 6.0 gas burner though. Dont get me wrong, the 6.0 is a very good engine and puts down good power, but with 8000lbs behind it combined with some East TN hills....it will leave a bit to be desired in my opinion.

Im in the same boat on trucks....65k sure is a lot of money to drop on a new truck. I looked at a few on the way to and from the RV show....makes me wanna put another 100k miles on my old ford!
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The trucks tow ratings should be in the manual, the payload should be on the door sticker. There are different ratings for towing a 5er, they allow more weight for that. As for payload, I`m thinking your truck may have a payload greater then the 2100 lbs you posted, simply because mine is over 3400lbs...
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Sledgehammer (funny I know another guy with the email Sledgehammer).. but he lives in Alabama :-)

I appreciate your input, right now with our current Jayco TT it has a ULVW of 6400lbs and we probably load it with less that 700lbs when we go out... the truck pulls it just fine, no speed award jumping on the fewweway or climbing the TN hillls but with the FW and 2000+ lbs I thiink your right. The tow haul mode in the GMC is pretty amazing and it really increases the towing comfort of the truck but again, adding 2-2.5K more that proably would just load it down enuogh to make it uncomfortable.

I can't justify a truck change right now for the number of days we get out and for the short distances we go.... we just scheduled our first trip to Elkmont in May and that is a 200 mile tow for us. One thing good is my wife loves our Jayco 26RKS so that takes the pressure off on moving up... but I guess were just going to have to keep researching our options... and Who Knows watch for a low millage diesel perhaps.... that may be our choice to change out over time!
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Crabman, I"ll go out and get the manual, I have the original brochure on the truck which I used to come up with the numbers but I'll check again on the door plate and the manual an see what it says. One thing for sure Ive called several dealers and most of them don't have a clue...just say look at the brochure... That is interesting that your truck has the payload you mentioned... Thanks for the tip.
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Possible a dumb statement/question here ... but simply adding a diesel engine won't change the various weight limitations. A 3/4 ton is still a 3/4 ton.

I suspect that a diesel, weighing more, would actually raise the TV weight which subtracts from the payload weight. Yes/no?

The only way to legally raise axle weight restrictions requires a larger class of TV?
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I appreciate your input, right now with our current Jayco TT it has a ULVW of 6400lbs and we probably load it with less that 700lbs when we go out... the truck pulls it just fine, no speed award jumping on the fewweway or climbing the TN hillls but with the FW and 2000+ lbs I thiink your right. The tow haul mode in the GMC is pretty amazing and it really increases the towing comfort of the truck but again, adding 2-2.5K more that proably would just load it down enuogh to make it uncomfortable.

I can't justify a truck change right now for the number of days we get out and for the short distances we go.... we just scheduled our first trip to Elkmont in May and that is a 200 mile tow for us. One thing good is my wife loves our Jayco 26RKS so that takes the pressure off on moving up... but I guess were just going to have to keep researching our options... and Who Knows watch for a low millage diesel perhaps.... that may be our choice to change out over time!
You may be fine with the 6.0 for awhile then. I know my old ford diesel doesnt make near the power these newer trucks do. Does it pull my camper good in East TN? Good enough. Would I want to go camp the US with it? No way. Most of our trips are under 100 miles one way. Might get out to 200-250 once a year...might. Hard for me to justify getting a $65,000.00 truck just yet.
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Up for consideration here are the numbers for that unit, supposedly "half ton towable" and I suppose that`s what HT stands for. I know there are some members here that do in fact tow the HT series with half ton trucks. While I`m not convinced this would be a totally desirable setup for half ton trucks, the 2500 should be up to the task, especially if you keep your loaded weights down. All this info is from the Jayco HT Eagle page.













Weights & Measures
WEIGHTS
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) 7,625
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) 1,260
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) 9,950
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) 2,325
MEASUREMENTS
Exterior Travel Length (Pin box to bumper) 30'
Total Exterior Length 30' 11"
Exterior Width 96"
Exterior Height with A/C 140-3/4"
Interior Bedroom Height 74"
Queen Bed 60 x 80
Hide-A-Bed Sofa 46 x 76-1/2
Wheel Base 231-7/8"
TANK CAPACITIES
Fresh Water Capacity (gals) includes water heater 48
Gray Waste Water Capacity (gals) 65
Black Waste Water Capacity (gals) 32.5
OTHER
Sleeping Capacity 3-4
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