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Old 04-28-2022, 04:32 AM   #21
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Get a dually!

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Hi there i have a northpoint 381dlq when i picked it up i had a new 2018 f350 it did the job fine power was fine but it would roll a bit in the corners, so i decided to go to a 2021 f450 better turning better brakes and so stable i also put disc brakes on my fifth wheel how jayco or any manufactures get away with 1950 electric brakes i dont know if you live in the rockies you will soon find out what brake fade is all about.hope you find the right truck.
I'll 2nd that! I went from a 250 to a 450. Felt the same roll on exits and uneven roads.

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Old 04-28-2022, 05:53 AM   #22
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Yep...get the dually. I towed with a 2500 for the 1st year of ownership before going to the 3500 dually.
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Old 04-28-2022, 07:59 AM   #23
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We bought our 2016 Northpoint when I had 2015 GMC Duramax, Sierra 2500HD SLT, diesel, not a dually, and my dealer assured me it would be enough truck. Allison 6 transmission. 6.6 Duramax. I really wasnt sure, but low and behold, 6 yrs later we have pulled the rig 48,000+ miles and no towing problems. Thank the Lord.
I credit the Lord for safety on the two blowouts, that were tire issues, not truck, (one a road hazard) bit my wife was driving and she and our good God kept us on the road.
Weve been across the Smokies, on month long trips, FL and back 4 or 5 times... no real issues hauling.
Sure a bigger truck, and dually, would be nice.
I get about 10 mpg towing rig.
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Old 04-28-2022, 03:25 PM   #24
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We are towing Pinnacle 36 KBTS with a 2019 GMC 3500 Denali SRW Duramax for almost 3 years now and no problems. Actual weight vs capacities close but ok. I check on Cat scale periodically just to make sure.
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I haul mine with a 2017 F250 with a diesel.
Yikes!

The 373 has a dry pin of 2330lbs, but I bet it's close to 3k by the time you load up your LP tanks, the underbelly storage compartment and that massive clothes closet. Add a mattress and blankets as well.

I'm guessing your F250 diesel has a payload around 2300lbs according to the yellow and white sticker on your door?

If you're comfortable with that, I would say you're in the minority. The OP is asking what he should buy...definitely not an F250 diesel.
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On my rig the loaded tongue weight is right at 2800 lbs. It has worked flawlessly for us with a SRW for many years. 3-4 hundred lbs more and I would be uncomfortable with a SRW.
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Prob need to clarify this a bit. F450 actually has less rated payload capacity than an equivalent F350 due to the differences in running gear. The underlying frame is the same on the current model.

Weight ratings for a Chassis/Cab F450 are different, as it has a different rear frame section and springs. They would need to get a bed installed, or some other flatbed.
We actually ordered ours in 2007 (but it is a 2008) F450 with the bed and a 4:30 rear end. If I remember correctly, that was the 1st year Ford put beds on them and the flatbed is slightly longer than a bed truck. But that was 15 years ago so the memory may not be totally there.
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Prob need to clarify this a bit. F450 actually has less rated payload capacity than an equivalent F350 due to the differences in running gear. The underlying frame is the same on the current model.

Weight ratings for a Chassis/Cab F450 are different, as it has a different rear frame section and springs. They would need to get a bed installed, or some other flatbed.
And to clarify this statement a bit, the F450 pickup only has less rated payload capacity vs the F350 because Ford is trying to keep the F450 Class 3 rating eligible, which has a max GVWR of 14k lbs.

The components that make the F450 pickup have a heavier curb weight, thus less payload capacity, are components that are beefier than the F350 (rear axles, brakes, etc.), and thus allow the 450 to perform better at high carrying and towing weights vs the 350.

But payload is calculated by taking GVWR and subtracting curb weight, so it just looks like the 450 has lower payload on paper.
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Oh, and to the OP: modern diesel dually!
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And to clarify this statement a bit, the F450 pickup only has less rated payload capacity vs the F350 because Ford is trying to keep the F450 Class 3 rating eligible, which has a max GVWR of 14k lbs.

The components that make the F450 pickup have a heavier curb weight, thus less payload capacity, are components that are beefier than the F350 (rear axles, brakes, etc.), and thus allow the 450 to perform better at high carrying and towing weights vs the 350.

But payload is calculated by taking GVWR and subtracting curb weight, so it just looks like the 450 has lower payload on paper.
As I stated, differences in running gear. On current model F450 - class 3 truck that is not a chassis/cab - Bigger brakes on all 4 corners and resulting 19.5 wheels to clear them, front axle is beefier/wider unit, rear axle is same housing with higher spline count on the shafts and 4:30 rear end. Otherwise the same truck foundation- frame, springs and all - as the equivalent F350.

Chassis cab F450 - class 4 truck - is rated for heavier weights primarily due to the frame and spring differences, but sacrifices ride quality and also the higher end trims of the 'consumer' truck model.

End of the day though, the 'legality' is determined by the weight rating on the sticker on the specific unit. Some areas of the country are MUCH more diligent on that factor than others.
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