Who’s pulling 5ers with 3/4 ton?

[Cincinnati Kid]

Originally Posted by RipinSC

Cincinnati Kid, yes I am 60 pounds under my 9500 pound max weight per the Cat scale front and rear axle load readings when hook up.

Well you have more discipline than we do. We need to find ways to trim the weight. Our trailer is 1000# lighter than yours and we are still right at the brink. Jack stands and most of my tools will stay behind. We got rid of our big compressor last trip, and got a little portable one.

Big trip coming up in a couple weeks, can't wait to see our next weight slips.

Thinking about camping at a nudist place next time- all those clothes are putting a hurting on our payload.

[citgodan]

Had a 2015 F250 gasser and pulled my current 2017 Eagle HT 27.5 RLTS for 3 years.

The truck had a payload weight of 2800#. The published hitch weight on the trailer is 1520#, but they lie so prob more like 1800#. Just me, the DW, and a load of firewood.

All tanks were empty.

No issues.

[McEagle]

I have a 2020 Chev 2500 Crew Cab pulling a 2021 Eagle 336FBOK that is rated at a GVWR of #10650. My payload is #3226 and I come in at just over #2800 loaded. My GCW is #24000 and I come in at just over #21600 loaded. I did put Timbrens on because of our roads in Wisconsin. The transition from asphalt to concrete bridges can be very harsh and abrupt and the Timbrens help smooth that out.

[billcf7]

Originally Posted by McEagle

I have a 2020 Chev 2500 Crew Cab pulling a 2021 Eagle 336FBOK that is rated at a GVWR of #10650. My payload is #3226 and I come in at just over #2800 loaded. My GCW is #24000 and I come in at just over #21600 loaded. I did put Timbrens on because of our roads in Wisconsin. The transition from asphalt to concrete bridges can be very harsh and abrupt and the Timbrens help smooth that out.

The empty weight of your 336FBOK is 11500# depending on options and the GVWR of them is 13750#. You might want to recheck your numbers Trust me I looked at this model

[Ironrosefarms]

1999 Chevy C2500 4door pulling our 255 BH Eagle. No problems weight wise or pulling.

My father before he passed hauled campers from manufacturers to dealers. His last truck was a 2007 GMC 2500 Duramax. The truck was bought new and immediately taken to be professionally bagged and beefed up and chipped. He hauled everything even the 40 foot monsters with no issues. As a commercial carrier he was scrutinized by DOT many times in many states with no issues for weight limits, braking capacity or other equipment issues. His truck also exceeded the contracting company's requirements and his insurance carrier. Again his truck was not near factory but was technically a 3/4 ton truck.

[McEagle]

Originally Posted by billcf7

The empty weight of your 336FBOK is 11500# depending on options and the GVWR of them is 13750#. You might want to recheck your numbers Trust me I looked at this model

Those are scale numbers.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by Cincinnati Kid

Thinking about camping at a nudist place next time- all those clothes are putting a hurting on our payload.

Too bad the one on Blue Rock closed....

[SoonerCamper]

I pulled a big Pinnacle with a 3/4 ton Ram. While technically I was within limits, it was often white knuckle. Upgraded truck to a one ton dually, and you don’t even know the trailer is behind you. Just my2 cents!

[jfk69]

Originally Posted by Cincinnati Kid

1/2 Ton- Light Travel Trailer only- no 5th wheel.
3/4 Ton or 1 Ton SRW- "HT towable 5th wheel" (But should skip 3/4 ton and go directly to 1 ton)
1 Ton Dually- Anything bigger than a "HT towable 5th wheel"

Yeah. No. While I fall in the weight police brigade, this is over the top ridiculous. My sig truck has 3417# payload. My sig trailer, fully loaded puts just under 2,500# on the truck. Wife, pup and I in the truck, I’ll be liberal and say add 450#. Leaves ~450# payload. Subtract hitch (117#) and I have just under 300# available payload. That’s it. All we haul. Again, I appreciate the thought, but the “anything bigger than a HT towable 5th wheel” requires a DRW one ton is absolutely silly.

[Cincinnati Kid]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Too bad the one on Blue Rock closed....

[NewBlackDak]

Originally Posted by jfk69

Yeah. No. While I fall in the weight police brigade, this is over the top ridiculous. My sig truck has 3417# payload. My sig trailer, fully loaded puts just under 2,500# on the truck. Wife, pup and I in the truck, I’ll be liberal and say add 450#. Leaves ~450# payload. Subtract hitch (117#) and I have just under 300# available payload. That’s it. All we haul. Again, I appreciate the thought, but the “anything bigger than a HT towable 5th wheel” requires a DRW one ton is absolutely silly.

This is especially untrue with the current crop of gas HD trucks. They are plenty capable, and have tons of capacity.

[Cincinnati Kid]

Originally Posted by jfk69

Yeah. No. While I fall in the weight police brigade, this is over the top ridiculous. My sig truck has 3417# payload. My sig trailer, fully loaded puts just under 2,500# on the truck. Wife, pup and I in the truck, I’ll be liberal and say add 450#. Leaves ~450# payload. Subtract hitch (117#) and I have just under 300# available payload. That’s it. All we haul. Again, I appreciate the thought, but the “anything bigger than a HT towable 5th wheel” requires a DRW one ton is absolutely silly.

I get what you're saying. You have carefully done the math on your setup, and are within limits. That's a good thing.

When we matched up our 250 to our HT towable, we came out just barely within limits. A 350 SRW would have given us more wiggle room, but not a ton more.
That's why, when we're walking an rv lot and "dreaming" and estimating, I pretty much move the dream vehicle up one extra step in towing class than the bare minimum.
If we went to a 12,000+ trailer, I'd be "dreaming" of a dually, but of course would run all the numbers like we did before, and you did, only this time I'd add more cushion.

[Smitty0]

Originally Posted by 67L48

You're looking at GCWR, which is OK, but you really need to look at your truck's GVWR (payload). I can't believe that your trailer is less than 12,000 lbs rolling down the road and would expect it to be a bit more. But, we'll use that number:

18245 - 12000 = 6,245. Your truck's GVW is only 6,245 lbs? Seems really light to me for a 3/4 ton, but OK.

12,000 lb trailer will drip around 2,500 lbs onto the pin. 6245 + 2500 = 8,745 lbs.

If the above is correct and your truck is 9,500 GVWR, then you have 755 lbs remaining for occupants and cargo. So, this seems doable to me. It also helps show that when people move up to a diesel, which eats up 700-800 lbs of payload, it's pretty tough to no be overweight on middle to large 5ers.

Any towing discussion about weights really needs to start with the door jamb sticker -- occupants and cargo should not exceed _____ lbs.

But, to answer the OP, who's towing 5ers with a 3/4 ton? In the SRW category, I'd say that 3/4 tons outnumber 1 tons at least 5 to 1 ... maybe even more.

I really can't tell what info you're after. If you just want a roll call -- who's doing it, then there is a countless many. Just look on the road.

If you're wondering how many people are doing it and staying within their truck's GVWR (payload) ratings, then that number goes way, way down. Particularly when you see a 35'+ 5er on a 3/4 ton diesel, you can just about guarantee that that truck is overloaded.

Then you get into all of the other conversations about does it really matter? Is a 3/4 ton really any different than a 1 ton? Is the GVWR/Payload really a representation of truck capability or just an invented number for tax/registration/government regs? Which of GVWR, GCWR, Payload, GAWR, and other numbers really matter, anyway? And, so on.

Good luck.

Really wanted to see how people were doing it and hear how it felt or any other discussions that came up. Just trying to learn. I Picked up a couple things from your post; thank you.

My research stems from us looking @ a 355MBQS which we really wanted but after looking at the sticker it seems my truck can't carry more than 1976lbs. As I dug in a bit more I found the latter portion of your comments, The capability vs. the registration reqs in some states. Basically the only difference in my truck and a 1 ton is the sticker (3500lbs) & spring pack (2.5 vs. 3.5). Sooo wish I would have known this before. So on some level yeah I'm trying to make lemonade...However Just really trying to learn a bit before dropping 50k on an oversized 5th wheel...

[Big1]

Yeah, at GVWR for that is going to be 14995lbs and 42' 0" long will be a little problem, it will do it but you will be over with your F250. That is a big boy and you will need or should have at less a fitted 1 ton SRW. I've been there I finally convince my wife that I wanted a 1 ton to two ours fiver and she agree. I made this mistake about at least two times but I said I will be doing it right this time.

[ShotgunZ71]

Originally Posted by Big1

Yeah, at GVWR for that is going to be 14995lbs and 42' 0" long will be a little problem, it will do it but you will be over with your F250. That is a big boy and you will need or should have at less a fitted 1 ton SRW. I've been there I finally convince my wife that I wanted a 1 ton to two ours fiver and she agree. I made this mistake about at least two times but I said I will be doing it right this time.

Yeah, it's a larger 5er. We pull ours with a 2021 GMC 2500HD Duramax. The only thing I've done is add Timbrens and it does very well. Truck GVWR is 11300 and the GCWR is 26000. Currently, I'm at around 22600 loaded up. It's heavy and long, as you mentioned, but it does pull it well. A one-ton would be a little better, but unless I was towing much larger, I'd stay with a SRW setup.

[spoon059]

Originally Posted by Cincinnati Kid

Bottom line, a 3/4 ton can just barely handle a small (11,000 GVWR) 5th wheel, and only if you really watch your cargo weights.

Define "barely handle"...

Mechanically speaking, most 3/4 ton trucks are IDENTICAL to 1 ton trucks. Ford and GM have a spacer block and overload springs. Ram has a coil suspension as opposed to leaf. Other than that, everything else is the same.

[Big1]

Originally Posted by ShotgunZ71

Yeah, it's a larger 5er. We pull ours with a 2021 GMC 2500HD Duramax. The only thing I've done is add Timbrens and it does very well. Truck GVWR is 11300 and the GCWR is 26000. Currently, I'm at around 22600 loaded up. It's heavy and long, as you mentioned, but it does pull it well. A one-ton would be a little better, but unless I was towing much larger, I'd stay with a SRW setup.

Awesome, sound like it's working out I love those Duramax I was think about buying one at one time.

[Cincinnati Kid]

Originally Posted by spoon059

Define "barely handle"...

Mechanically speaking, most 3/4 ton trucks are IDENTICAL to 1 ton trucks. Ford and GM have a spacer block and overload springs. Ram has a coil suspension as opposed to leaf. Other than that, everything else is the same.

We just weighed ours completely empty, coming back from the factory repair shop. Had maybe a hundred # of tools and stuff on the truck. plus hitch, of course.

With zero pounds of anything on our small 5th wheel, our truck came in at more than 9700#. Less than 300# payload remaining of our 10,000# available GVWR.

I'd go bigger next time.

We did get the camper package and snowplow packages that beefed up the springs a little, but we are still hitting that 10,000# wall.

[Smitty0]

Originally Posted by ShotgunZ71

Yeah, it's a larger 5er. We pull ours with a 2021 GMC 2500HD Duramax. The only thing I've done is add Timbrens and it does very well. Truck GVWR is 11300 and the GCWR is 26000. Currently, I'm at around 22600 loaded up. It's heavy and long, as you mentioned, but it does pull it well. A one-ton would be a little better, but unless I was towing much larger, I'd stay with a SRW setup.

Those are some good numbers. I do like the way those GMCs look. and apparently they perform as well..Is it the Denali?

On another note about the 10k wall. Wouldn't the axles be the tell all? Thats how all my trailers are done... So lets say the # on the door of the 250 IS dumbed down for registration; the gospel or true capability would then fall to the axels right?

[Midnightmoon]

Originally Posted by Smitty0

Those are some good numbers. I do like the way those GMCs look. and apparently they perform as well..Is it the Denali?

On another note about the 10k wall. Wouldn't the axles be the tell all? Thats how all my trailers are done... So lets say the # on the door of the 250 IS dumbed down for registration; the gospel or true capability would then fall to the axels right?

Yes, that is correct. The axle capacities on a 250/2500 series will be well above the listed truck GVWR and will closely match that of a 350/3500 single wheel (most often the rear axle rating will be slightly lower because of the absence of the overload springs on the 250/2500). As mentioned above, with very few exceptions, they are identical trucks except for possibly spring ratings and that arbitrary 10K GVWR for registration purposes.

On my specific 2500, there is an additional 2210 lb of available axle capacity above the listed manufacturers GVWR.