Who’s pulling 5ers with 3/4 ton?

[mkrenn]

So no one out there has a 1 ton?
Sorry for the 90 degree off pic!

[TxLoser]

Originally Posted by spoon059

Define "barely handle"...

Mechanically speaking, most 3/4 ton trucks are IDENTICAL to 1 ton trucks. Ford and GM have a spacer block and overload springs. Ram has a coil suspension as opposed to leaf. Other than that, everything else is the same.

Very true. A quick suspension mod to a Ford or Chevy 3/4 ton and you’re in SRW 1 ton territory as far as functionality is concerned.

I have some sumos lying around from my 3/4 ton truck. I was actually thinking of installing them on my 1 ton today. Funny thing is, I think they may take the overload spring out of the equation. This overload spring is what makes my truck a 1 ton. We’ll see. It’ll be interesting to see how that works. Must be bored.

[ShotgunZ71]

Originally Posted by Smitty0

Those are some good numbers. I do like the way those GMCs look. and apparently they perform as well..Is it the Denali?

On another note about the 10k wall. Wouldn't the axles be the tell all? Thats how all my trailers are done... So lets say the # on the door of the 250 IS dumbed down for registration; the gospel or true capability would then fall to the axels right?

Yes, it is a Denali. Enjoyed it so far.

[mkrenn]

Originally Posted by spoon059

Define "barely handle"...

Mechanically speaking, most 3/4 ton trucks are IDENTICAL to 1 ton trucks. Ford and GM have a spacer block and overload springs. Ram has a coil suspension as opposed to leaf. Other than that, everything else is the same.

Mechanically speaking??? No, Ford does not use a spacer block to make it a 350. It's a totally different main spring pack. Yes, it does have overloads.

[TxLoser]

Installed the Sumos and took it out for a drive. I was wrong. The overloads do still come into play, so definitely more support with a 1 ton even with a mod installed. Fun experiment.

[Big1]

Originally Posted by TxLoser

Very true. A quick suspension mod to a Ford or Chevy 3/4 ton and you’re in SRW 1 ton territory as far as functionality is concerned.

I have some sumos lying around from my 3/4 ton truck. I was actually thinking of installing them on my 1 ton today. Funny thing is, I think they may take the overload spring out of the equation. This overload spring is what makes my truck a 1 ton. We’ll see. It’ll be interesting to see how that works. Must be bored.

Lol, funny.

[Big1]

Originally Posted by TxLoser

Installed the Sumos and took it out for a drive. I was wrong. The overloads do still come into play, so definitely more support with a 1 ton even with a mod installed. Fun experiment.

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Awesome, so do you have any pics with your Sumos install?

[TxLoser]

The above photo is with the sumos installed. The truck sat a hair higher(level measured) and only on the rear of that top overload spring. I pulled the trailer about 30 miles like that. When I got home I took off the Sumos and went back to stock. That left it sitting a bit lower in the rear and on both the front and back of the overload. Not level when measured. Visually it’s nearly imperceptible. With the sumos carrying the weight like an airbag it was a rough ride. Without, it’s a very nice ride. Moral of story, and a learning point for me was things work best in stock form which does actually require having the correct truck for the weight. Apparently the good folks at GM do know what they’re doing. If one is considering a trailer over the 10K mark and doesn’t already own a tow vehicle then 1 ton all the way. If you already own a 3/4 ton then by all means bag it and enjoy some camping.

Again, a fun little experiment. Anyone want to buy a set of black sumos that fit 2011-2019 GM HD trucks?

Here’s a photo of the truck as it sits in stock form with the trailer.

[F350guy]

Originally Posted by mkrenn

So no one out there has a 1 ton?
Sorry for the 90 degree off pic!

I do.

I had the problem with side ways pictures even though it is sitting straight in my pictures file. There may be a better way but I right click the picture, select "edit with photos", make sure the picture is straight and select save a copy. It will put the saved picture next to the original which I delete. They always post straight then. This is on a Windows 10 system by the way.

[67L48]

Originally Posted by mkrenn

Mechanically speaking??? No, Ford does not use a spacer block to make it a 350. It's a totally different main spring pack. Yes, it does have overloads.

Yep ... 3/4 tons and 1 tons are identical!!! except where they're not. These are the funny circular justification conversations that I find sort of fascinating. I don't really care what people do, but the mental gymnastics they use is amusing.

For 2017+ Fords, most 3/4 tons have the Sterling 10.5" rear axle and most 1 tons have the Dana M275 rear axle, but, shhhhh, we don't want to talk about that ... it's just an overload spring!

... and why are people trying to hijack this into a "show me your 1 ton towing pics" thread?

[TCNashville]

Originally Posted by 67L48

Yep ... 3/4 tons and 1 tons are identical!!! except where they're not. For 2017+ Fords, most 3/4 tons have the Sterling 10.5" rear axle and most 1 tons have the Dana M275 rear axle, but, shhhhh, we don't want to talk about that ... it's just an overload spring!

Agreed but I believe you can get the Dana on the F-250 if it has the high capacity tow package but you'll have to have the diesel engine to get it so payload will suffer.

[TxLoser]

It would be nice if each manufacturer had a side by side of all the important parts of each diesel HD model to see what differed. Gas will obviously be different. Diesel 2500-3500SRW-3500DRW side by side would be interesting to see. Crazy that you have to dig deep to find that info.

As for towing photos… who doesn’t love a good towing pic.

[RayPayne]

In Ontario I think you’ll find it’s easily 10:1 or higher for 3/4 tons to 1 ton SRW. The vast majority of people pulling with a 3/4 ton have no knowledge or concern of their weights.

I know locally weight is never checked if your truck doesn’t have the commercial sticker. (Historically 3/4 tons derated from 10,000 to 9,900 lbs but recently included up to 1 ton as well if only pulling an RV with an actual GCW of 24,250 lbs or less). Because of that in Ontario there are more than a few people with derated 3/4 ton trucks and a gvwr of 9,900 lbs and a set of timbrens or similar pulling far over their GVWR or even GCWR. I was paranoid about weights because I saw people pulled over and inspected often, then realized only commercial rated trucks were pulled over. People that bought trucks with the 9,900 lb limit did so to be exempt from ever being checked for weights or anything else.

[67L48]

Originally Posted by TCNashville

Agreed but I believe you can get the Dana on the F-250 if it has the high capacity tow package but you'll have to have the diesel engine to get it so payload will suffer.

As I clearly said, "for 2017+ Fords, most 3/4 tons have the Sterling 10.5" rear axle and most 1 tons have the Dana M275 rear axle" (emphasis added). Most doesn't mean all. There are a number of combinations that put the M275 on the F-250 and several that put the Sterling 10.5 on the F-350. But, I didn't want to get into the possible combinations. That's a discussion that's better kept on the Ford forums ... and, in fact, there are several on this very topic.

Originally Posted by RayPayne

[...] The vast majority of people pulling with a 3/4 ton have no knowledge or concern of their weights. [...]

Exactly. We have to remember that even among these forums, most don't care. And, the membership on these forums is an infinitesimally small minority of those towing an RV.

Originally Posted by RayPayne

[...] I know locally weight is never checked if your truck doesn’t have the commercial sticker. [...] I was paranoid about weights because I saw people pulled over and inspected often, then realized only commercial rated trucks were pulled over. [...]

Also correct in most places in NAM. I'm a numbers guy and always recommend staying within them. However, after 15 years of careful searching and research, I have yet to find a single instance where a private individual was cited for being over weight, I've yet to see a single example of an insurance company denying any claim for any weight issue, I've not read of a single example where legal liability was assigned due to weight (either civil or criminal), and I've only ever read of a single individual even being checked ... and it was because he was towing a skid steer on a gooseneck and was mistaken by LEOs as a commercial driver. He was over weight and they told him to go directly home (which was his destination, anyway).

[Smitty0]

Originally Posted by TxLoser

It would be nice if each manufacturer had a side by side of all the important parts of each diesel HD model to see what differed. Gas will obviously be different. Diesel 2500-3500SRW-3500DRW side by side would be interesting to see. Crazy that you have to dig deep to find that info.

As for towing photos… who doesn’t love a good towing pic.

Man, I'm with you there! I've been searching part numbers haha!

I think I'm Going with a 2020 30.5MBOK, Will keep me in my overall 23.5k range, Well below on my AWR, but blow my payload. Ill have a new(er) truck soon. then Ill go find me a MBQS. I just really like all the windows on the camp side of that thing. Can enjoy the scenery from inside too..

[Big1]

Originally Posted by TxLoser

The above photo is with the sumos installed. The truck sat a hair higher(level measured) and only on the rear of that top overload spring. I pulled the trailer about 30 miles like that. When I got home I took off the Sumos and went back to stock. That left it sitting a bit lower in the rear and on both the front and back of the overload. Not level when measured. Visually it’s nearly imperceptible. With the sumos carrying the weight like an airbag it was a rough ride. Without, it’s a very nice ride. Moral of story, and a learning point for me was things work best in stock form which does actually require having the correct truck for the weight. Apparently the good folks at GM do know what they’re doing. If one is considering a trailer over the 10K mark and doesn’t already own a tow vehicle then 1 ton all the way. If you already own a 3/4 ton then by all means bag it and enjoy some camping.

Again, a fun little experiment. Anyone want to buy a set of black sumos that fit 2011-2019 GM HD trucks?

Here’s a photo of the truck as it sits in stock form with the trailer.

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Now that is a nice setup.

[Pickledill]

Its all about the numbers, modern 3/4 ton trucks, especially GM gassers have payload numbers above 1 tons from a decade ago. There is no general rule of thumb on what a 1/2 ton, 3/4 , or 1 ton is capable of, contrary to some simplistic attempts to categorize them. In theory some 1/2 ton trucks have more payload than some high optioned diesel 3/4 ton trucks but neither would probably be a good choice for a mid sized or larger 5th wheel for different reasons. Do your due diligence and understand ALL the numbers ask questions until you understand for yourself what it all means. Kinda like qhat you are doing here!

[DavidJay]

Originally Posted by Smitty0

So lets say the # on the door of the 250 IS dumbed down for registration; the gospel or true capability would then fall to the axels right?

I go with GVWR - Factory says I can put 6300 pounds on the rear axle, so as long as it is well under that I don’t worry about the door sticker.

[billcf7]

Originally Posted by DavidJay

I go with GVWR - Factory says I can put 6300 pounds on the rear axle, so as long as it is well under that I don’t worry about the door sticker.

Your the ones we have to worry about on the roads. So if you have a 6000# front axel you load your TV up to over 12000# and dont care. Hope I'm not anywhere near you on the roads

[nynethead]

i pull a 2018 jayco eagle HT 29.5 bhds fully loaded it is only 10K with a pin weight of 1670. I purchased a 2020 Chevy 2500HD gasser end of last year. Has a 5th wheel rating of 16,450 and a payload capacity of 3760lbs, gvwr rating of 10,650lbs. so i am way under capacity with the 2500HD Chevy. Pulls the same as my old 2006 LBZ diesel which was only a gvwr of 9200lbs.