Coronavirus

[colby]

I came across this very sad story today https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...rID=InAppShare

Considering this started at the end of February, I feel very blessed having flown back from the UK on Feb 29th.

[WeRJuliian]

Originally Posted by RetiredOne

Yeah, but on the plus side, 85% of all those in that age group, with all the pre-existing conditions, who catch Covid, actually survive.

I'd be interested in following up those figures... can you cite a reference, please?

[goducks]

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/30/...y-for-elderly/

[SloPoke]

Lets look at Italy - who has a more reliable reporting of cases than China:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...e-group-italy/


EDIT: Added Spain
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-spain-march/

[RetiredOne]

Here are some other fun facts. I know everyone is focus on Covid, but take a look at where it fits in with other causes of death in China and Italy.

Surprised?

[gypsmjim]

Those numbers are expected. Corona isn't necessarily a death sentence.

The problem is that the Corona people are clogging the emergency rooms all at once and maybe, just maybe, some other people are getting left behind.

In any event, sure are a lot of sick people hanging around.

[norty1]

I heard a long discussion today on radio about why with California being the closest international airport in the US, why do they have the lowest # of deaths from the virus?

I understand why some places in the great US of A don't have the rates of other more populated places but it seems like CA would be way up there?

[SloPoke]

Originally Posted by norty1

I heard a long discussion today on radio about why with California being the closest international airport in the US, why do they have the lowest # of deaths from the virus?

I understand why some places in the great US of A don't have the rates of other more populated places but it seems like CA would be way up there?

California was way ahead on the Social Distancing than NY and the new hot-spots of infection.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...new-york-covid

[norty1]

Originally Posted by SloPoke

California was way ahead on the Social Distancing than NY and the new hot-spots of infection.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...new-york-covid

And I have heard that the numbers indicate that it is working to flatten the curve in other states too.

[Kim Gass]

Maine has a new requirement that those arriving from out of state have to quarantine for two weeks. Not sure if the curve has flattened or we see what we would like.
It is an enforceable regulation but I have no idea how that will be done.

Yes we are late to the party. 305 cases 5 deaths . All sort of predictable!

[cbeers]

We do not have a confirmed case in our county in the Texas Panhandle. My bride do private care and one of her jobs is in an assisted care facility. If she travels out of the county she has to do a mandatory 15 day self quarantine in order to be able to enter the facility again.
Stay Safe!

[colby]

Pulling the conversation away from the camping thread - https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f...tml#post843315

Originally Posted by RetiredOne

This is the example. Fauchi and Birx said there could be up to 200,000 deaths, NOT millions, on the upper side. Let's not over react and make up numbers, it doesn't help the readers here.

This is only if we continue to do what we are doing, and that is almost 4x the number of the worst year for flu. It is closer to 6-7x the average number of flu deaths, and that is only if we keep doing what we are doing.

Originally Posted by RetiredOne

The LARGE majority who are dying have at least one, if not multiple existing medical conditions. The Covid isn't the cause. it just sped up the final outcome.

However, they most likely wouldn't have died if there was no COVID. And if the ICU beds are full of COVID patients and someone is brought to the hospital with a heart attack, that person may die. It isn't COVID-related; however, it is because of COVID and outside of the official statistics. That is going to happen. It's what is happening in Italy and Spain, and potentially in NYC.

Originally Posted by RetiredOne

Two years ago 80,000 people died from the flu and tens of millions were infected. Did the economy shut down and did the country go on lock down that year?

It was actually 61,000 - https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

At 1000+ deaths a day, we will be there before June. If the numbers are what the best case scenario (with continued lockdowns and personal distancing) is, and the numbers are 2500+ by mid-April, we will be there in May. With the 1st death in the US reported on March 1st, that is 2 full months to reach the worst flu season in history which was for the full year. And this thing won't be under control yet.

Originally Posted by RetiredOne

As of right now, there are 236,000 Covid cases in the country and 5,600 deaths. If the shutdowns and lockdowns continue for another month, the "cure" will be MORE harmful then the "disease".

That's a personal opinion and different from the one I hold, so let's just agree to disagree here.

[Kim Gass]

At home the fatalities are from those compromised and largely they are in nursing homes or long care facilities

The biggest percent of those infected are young and healthy. And most of those are in ...healthcare providing. Take them out and watch the house of cards crumble.

And the healthcare providers in other states are adding to the fatality statistics.

Sadly, evidence is mounting that carriers among the young and asymptomatic are responsible for infection.

Egad we can crunch the numbers for months and we are not epidemiologist statisticians.

But lets do humanity a favor and stop adding to the problem.

[DocBrown]

Thank you Kim. The numbers aren't telling the whole story. Those thinking this thing isn't all that bad or it's over blown need to look beyond the numbers.

This is not the flu. Hospitals don't run out of beds during flu season. Makeshift hospitals don't have to be built during flu season. Temporary morgues do not have to be setup for normal flu seasons. There is no treatment for this like there is for the flu. It's spreading like wildfire, and no that is not an emotional response. It's reality.

Getting really sick from it is not just for the elderly or immune compromised. That's where most of the deaths are of course, but lots of people who are generally healthy are seriously sick. For weeks, not days. Here's an interesting account. One of many that can found on the Internet. I for one don't want this. Does anyone?

https://www.boredpanda.com/having-co...d-amy-shircel/

And if you're still not convinced this is serious, find a hospital worker in your neighborhood and ask them how things are. If they have time to talk to you.

[goducks]

Originally Posted by DocBrown

Thank you Kim. The numbers aren't telling the whole story. Those thinking this thing isn't all that bad or it's over blown need to look beyond the numbers.

This is not the flu. Hospitals don't run out of beds during flu season. Makeshift hospitals don't have to be built during flu season. Temporary morgues do not have to be setup for normal flu seasons. There is no treatment for this like there is for the flu. It's spreading like wildfire, and no that is not an emotional response. It's reality.

Getting really sick from it is not just for the elderly or immune compromised. That's where most of the deaths are of course, but lots of people who are generally healthy are seriously sick. For weeks, not days. Here's an interesting account. One of many that can found on the Internet. I for one don't want this. Does anyone?

https://www.boredpanda.com/having-co...d-amy-shircel/

And if you're still not convinced this is serious, find a hospital worker in your neighborhood and ask them how things are. If they have time to talk to you.

Just to add to your cause, estimated flu deaths for 2019-2020 season are between 30,000-60,000 during the Oct through May flu season. That's 8 months.
30,000 deaths in 8 months is 12.5 per day.
60,000 deaths in 8 months is 25 per day.
Break those up between 50 states and you can see why the flu barely even impacts the healthcare system in some states.

With the Coivid 19 we have already had 7064 deaths so far in about one months worth.
That's would be on average 235 per day. But thats not how this virus is working. The death rate is climbing exponentially, not mildly like the flu.
This is why it's such a problem. It's the intensity of how it spreads and without social distancing and lockdowns it would be much worse than now.

[colby]

Less than 24 hours after the last post there are more than 1200 new deaths...

Stay safe everyone

[Midnightmoon]

One of my friends from Maine lost his father last night to COVID-19. He was 84.

[BigDaddy6290]

Originally Posted by RetiredOne

Question, of those cases that you are seeing, how many were true healthy people, who have a bad case, versus others who have some underlining pre-existing conditions, and this virus is just making them worse?

Retired One, here is an interesting video. I am a CrossFit fan, but not so much a Greg Glassman fan. But he is a pretty knowledgeable fellow who I think is very correct in his approach to holistic wellness and fitness as a huge factor.

Take it for what it's worth.

https://www.crossfit.com/essentials/...-disease-COVID

Big Daddy

[RetiredOne]

Originally Posted by BigDaddy6290

Retired One, here is an interesting video. I am a CrossFit fan, but not so much a Greg Glassman fan. But he is a pretty knowledgeable fellow who I think is very correct in his approach to holistic wellness and fitness as a huge factor.

Take it for what it's worth.

https://www.crossfit.com/essentials/...-disease-COVID

Big Daddy

Interesting video, and it supports exactly what the medical professionals are seeing and saying.

[colby]

Here's some stories of young healthy people... https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB12bvMz?m=en-...rID=InAppShare